SLI question from an AA guy.
 

Hey guys, just curious how the SLI ended up. I did a search on here and all I saw were proposals from both sides. Did it go relative? Who made out better? Thanks!

It was a total success. We came out more unified than ever. Pilots from both sides brought incredible experience and insights. We're 3000 brothers and sisters working towards improving our contract.

This is our SLI ia nutshell: https://youtu.be/e23SotgestI

Wow! Troll much?

Hey, that's awesome! It sounds like it went just like ours. We're all over here singing Kumbaya and roasting marshmellows!

Both sides actually gained longevity and relative seniority. Truly spectacular job by the arbitrators.

Post of the year for AS forums.

60% longevity, 40% status category, harmony model.

Made my day

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None of us even care where we ended up on the list. We're just happy to be together.

We're too busy processing the small amount of lunatics from each airline now on one list.

I seriously believe we could have a successful GoFundme campaign where we give them double their planned retirement to just go away.

Not really a topic of conversation....When we finish shrinking by 30% this fall it will likely become one. We appear to be headed back to a single fleet and back to the original 4 bases...At that point it will be a bit ugly

I’m honestly not trying to troll. I just really have no idea how it ended up. With Alaska joining One World next year and AA starting India, China, and UK out of Seattle, I’m starting to smell a possible merger. I’m interested to know how the younger/newer Virgin America was slotted in to Alaska. I’d imagine it wasn’t straight relative seniority.

SLI question from an AA guy.
 

Why do these always have to merge? Why can’t we just sell tickets on each other? Alaska has a good balance sheet and will recover before us. They have the same market cap in spite of their relatively small size and regional niche. Doug will pull out the merger papers if he is cornered, but not yet.


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I answered your question on the previous page. You just missed that?

I guess I was looking for more of an explanation. 60/40 only tells a little bit of the story.

The alaska management team is not going to sell their company to Doug, at least not for any amount he could afford in the mid-term. They like their jobs. Any mutual merger deal would have to be on terms favorable to AS manager careers.

Would someone be willing to share the award list?

No........

My recollection was top 1/3 of VX took approx. 22% reduction in relative seniority, next 1/3 a lesser amount, and bottom 1/3 basically DOH.

I would assume that in any subsequent merger the former VX pilots would be "stovepiped" as their current seniority numbers are not reflective of straight DOH or YOS.

Cheers - Rob.

Tough crowd...... Let’s just all prey that mergers are over.

In terms of mergers one can attempt to “pray” & one can feel like “prey”...either way it still ends with arbitration.

it doesn’t appear that a merger is on the near horizon. The plan for the nexts several years appears to be that we will provide the heavy lift on the west coast as international travel slowly recovers and Alaska will provide feed in SEA, SFO, and possibly PDX. I think Alaska is a great airline, but another merger? Argghhh, I’ve been through enough already.

Tough crowd? You, an anonymous person on the internet, want a list of pilots with 3,000+ names, hire dates, and birthdates. :rolleyes:

Word from flight operations for us is the closure of the SFO pilot/flight attendant base as we transition to a single fleet....would expect American to fill in what little traffic we have there in SFO. PDX is notthing more than a wide spot in the road. I think we will feed you guys heavily in SEA and LAX...Thats about it

Well.... we openly shared everything on the internet during our integration. I just figured you guys would have posted the final award as well. No worries. Hopefully it won’t matter anyway.

“Most West Coast”...... slogan of the decade. 😂😂😂😂

I don’t recall seeing the final seniority list published on APC. Only the methodology breakdown, and you got that already.



And there’s no point in looking at past SLI cases and thinking it’ll apply here. Plenty of guys tried that here thinking it would follow a “historic” reference of much higher weighting of status/category and much lower weighting of longevity. It ended up being the opposite, and much more closer to Alaska’s proposal.

I mean when one side isn't afraid of being destroyed by the panel....and shoots for the moon and the other side makes a more conservative proposal thinking they will get punished for trying to bully a smaller pilot group....

Bottom line....no protections for furloughed Alaska Pilots while VA was hiring less qualified applicants during the Alaska furlough. The first VA guy on the list bumped a guy at Alaska who had 18 years at Alaska before VA hired it's first pilot. I think VA guys made out pretty good all considering. And we all got an early pay raise which now looks even better given our current situation. Yes its in the past....but former VA guys aren't going to convince the pilot group that they got a raw deal with the SLI. Of course things like adjusting to Alaska's schedule and the closure of the JFK base were major blows to VA guys....but thems are the breaks when your company opens itself up to being acquired.

Not if you get “AirTraned”.

Just imagine where AT pilots would be today, and on 1 Oct if they hadn't been acquired. That may help you in letting it go.

Respectfully, I’m not taking the bait. Good day :)

Are we really gonna start this tit for tat stuff (pc) again? It happened... no one was happy with the outcome... let’s move on.


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Dont forget DECADE OF AWESOME or something like that

Not part of the discussion but if you think your basket-weaving degree from State U is a qualification think again. We furloughed so Wall St. would reward us. And because we created a large training bubble for the MD 80....Have flown with 100’s of former VX pilots....All very qualified in 121 ops....

Happy AUpilot1? You had to know some dick would take the bait.

Touché! That guy will be sitting in a rest home still whining. Air Tran would have been long gone by now.

LESS qualified? You don’t have a clue as to what you are talking about, that renders the rest of your statement moot.

:rolleyes:

What a tool.

If I remember correctly, the Valuejet ... I mean "airtran" ... guys would have been better off taking the first offer as suggested by one of the guys on the mec... Instead they shot that down and the second offer was not quite as good.

#arroganceatthelotteryoffice