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KnockKnock 04-19-2022 06:44 PM


Originally Posted by WNeast (Post 3408884)
Maybe lol.

You are or you aren't? Pretty straight forward question. Someone pointed out you were just an AVgeek from airliners.net, which if true, makes your constant posting here all that much more strange. If you are a SW pilot, has no one told how the internet works? I can't for one second believe any SW pilot would hang on hypothetical nonsense, typed up by anonymous nobodies, and treat it as some sort of actual insider info.... but I understand the waterline in the talent pool is pretty low these days so maybe you're just special.

WNeast 04-19-2022 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by KnockKnock (Post 3408905)
You are or you aren't? Pretty straight forward question. Someone pointed out you were just an AVgeek from airliners.net, which if true, makes your constant posting here all that much more strange. If you are a SW pilot, has no one told how the internet works? I can't for one second believe any SW pilot would hang on hypothetical nonsense, typed up by anonymous nobodies, and treat it as some sort of actual insider info.... but I understand the waterline in the talent pool is pretty low these days so maybe you're just special.

Yeah I do want a base but over course I want to see WN pick up AS with the stuff the offer.

echelon 04-19-2022 07:21 PM


Originally Posted by WNeast (Post 3408917)
Yeah I do want a base but over course I want to see WN pick up AS with the stuff the offer.

Are you literate? That grade 10 still giving you trouble Ricky?

KnockKnock 04-19-2022 07:21 PM


Originally Posted by WNeast (Post 3408917)
Yeah I do want a base but over course I want to see WN pick up AS with the stuff the offer.

Man, I don't know what you said here but I think you're setting yourself up for some major disappointment...

WNeast 04-19-2022 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by KnockKnock (Post 3408926)
Man, I don't know what you said here but I think you're setting yourself up for some major disappointment...

Well AS is merging with someone if it’s not WN it’s someone’s else.

KnockKnock 04-19-2022 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by WNeast (Post 3408929)
Well AS is merging with someone if it’s not WN it’s someone’s else.

You sound extremely sure of yourself. Other than the overactive imaginations on here, what are your sources? Do you have actual information about a pending AS merger or are you just regurgitating the nonsense you read on pilot bi**h boards? And no, OTZ doesn't count as a credible source...

GrammerPolice 04-19-2022 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by WNeast (Post 3408917)
Yeah I do want a base but over course I want to see WN pick up AS with the stuff the offer.

Sir, have you been drinking?

WNeast 04-19-2022 07:43 PM


Originally Posted by KnockKnock (Post 3408935)
You sound extremely sure of yourself. Other than the overactive imaginations on here, what are your sources? Do you have actual information about a pending AS merger or are you just regurgitating the nonsense you read on pilot bi**h boards? And no, OTZ doesn't count as a credible source...

Well you think they AS can afford to just sit here.

echelon 04-19-2022 07:48 PM


Originally Posted by WNeast (Post 3408939)
Well you think they AS can afford to just sit here.

Nobody on here is a high level executive or an expert on high finance (with the exception of RBAllen) or on running a multi-billion dollar company, let alone this specific one, and least of all you.

You're caught in the feedback loop of rumors that YOU keep bumping.

KnockKnock 04-19-2022 07:54 PM


Originally Posted by WNeast (Post 3408939)
Well you think they AS can afford to just sit here.

so, no, no actual information? Just pasting together other posters thoughts and making them your own? Quality analysis... What I don't understand is why you give a ****** what AS can and cannot afford to do? You don't work here. Why spend one second of you life pontificating about a company you are in no way associated with. We don't need more rickairs around here. Ones plenty

Rangerover 04-19-2022 08:00 PM


Originally Posted by WNeast (Post 3408929)
Well AS is merging with someone if it’s not WN it’s someone’s else.


If you say it 3 times in the mirror it might come true.

WNeast 04-19-2022 08:07 PM


Originally Posted by Rangerover (Post 3408949)
If you say it 3 times in the mirror it might come true.

Yeah it might lol

KnockKnock 04-19-2022 08:11 PM


Originally Posted by Rangerover (Post 3408949)
If you say it 3 times in the mirror it might come true.

Ha! I can hear his mom right now, asking him through the bathroom door, if he's o.k. and why does he keeps yelling "Alaska!"...

WNeast 04-19-2022 08:14 PM


Originally Posted by KnockKnock (Post 3408955)
Ha! I can hear his mom right now, asking him through the bathroom door, if he's o.k. and why does he keeps yelling "Alaska!"...

I’m not kid but whatever.

KnockKnock 04-19-2022 08:18 PM


Originally Posted by WNeast (Post 3408956)
I’m not kid but whatever.

you not kid? You not smart, either...

WNeast 04-19-2022 08:28 PM


Originally Posted by KnockKnock (Post 3408957)
you not kid? You not smart, either...

Ok what’s your point.

KnockKnock 04-19-2022 08:50 PM


Originally Posted by WNeast (Post 3408963)
Ok what’s your point.

Bless your heart WNeast. You have a good night. Don't stand in front of that mirror too late tonight, ok.

gubernatorial 04-19-2022 10:03 PM


Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 3408665)
Old news… I remember a really handsome dude on here sharing he was gone weeks ago. 🤔

There is a lot bigger change afoot 😂 brace brace brace!

I do not see the correlation between firing a VP ahead of a merger announcement. Perhaps you could provide a little color here...

WHACKMASTER 04-20-2022 05:13 AM


Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan (Post 3408853)
Trust me, few people (at least those of us who have worked for more than one airline) at WN are interested in a merger either. Ten year upgrade is plenty long enough without a merger adding numbers in front of us on the list.

Come on, Zap. You’re smarter and have far too much industry experience to believe this. First of all, upgrade is based on your relative seniority and not the number of pilots above you. It’s a percentage.

Second, you know darn well how senior SWA FOs (like yourself) faired during the last “marriage”, but I’ll just refresh the memories of those reading:

SWA was a stagnant airline with zero orders on the books in 2010. They bought another airline roughly a third of their size that had new B737s inbound.

SWAPA (with the help of SWA) was able to “capture” 🙄 the captain seats of transitioning pilots and thus many senior SWA FOs got an upgrade much sooner as their upgrade at the time was based on retirements and not fleet growth as again, SWA had no orders on the books.

I’m not advocating that Alaska pilots get treated the same way as the last red-headed stepchildren but to suggest that past mergers (Morris Air being another great example…..staple with pay protection) haven’t been a boost to SWA pilots’ relative seniority and “capture” of captain’s seats would be inaccurate.

In the most recent example, it was all of the “acquired” captain’s seats with an average gain of 8% relative seniority for SWAPA pilots and average loss of 22% for the scum that were acquired.

ZapBrannigan 04-20-2022 05:19 AM

My assumption, Whack, is that lessons were learned by union negotiators and industry watchers, and the next integration would correct the errors. The scales would shift so that no group is so decisively benefitted at the expense of another (Which can only negatively effect me, so ... since all politics are local, I'm against.) Nobody is going to ask you or I, but I think a merger can only hurt FOs right now.

WHACKMASTER 04-20-2022 05:22 AM


Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan (Post 3409070)
My assumption, Whack, is that lessons were learned by union negotiators and industry watchers, and the next integration would correct the errors. The scales would shift so that no group is so decisively benefitted at the expense of another (Which can only negatively effect me, so ... since all politics are local, I'm against.) Nobody is going to ask you or I, but I think a merger can only hurt FOs right now.

Fair enough, Zap. There’s probably much truth to that. I think those that were around to observe the last one are probably smart enough to take the next one to arbitration. Either way, I genuinely hope you get to fly with your favorite a$$**le soon 😉

ZapBrannigan 04-20-2022 05:31 AM


Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 3409073)
Fair enough, Zap. There’s probably much truth to that. I think those that were around to observe the last one are probably smart enough to take the next one to arbitration. Either way, I genuinely hope you get to fly with your favorite a$$**le soon [emoji6]


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WHACKMASTER 04-20-2022 05:35 AM


Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan (Post 3409078)

Bahahahaha. That’s hilarious (you poor bastard).

Flyboy8784 04-20-2022 05:39 AM

I do think its hysterical that OTZladner can claim he knows what the future holds, can drop hints on a public forum and it doesn't at all violate any NDAs or SEC insider trading violations.

KnockKnock 04-20-2022 06:36 AM


Originally Posted by Flyboy8784 (Post 3409084)
I do think its hysterical that OTZladner can claim he knows what the future holds, can drop hints on a public forum and it doesn't at all violate any NDAs or SEC insider trading violations.

he's placed bets on every horse on the track....one of them has to be a winner right? You can't be wrong when you say everything and anything can possibly, maybe, happen and when it doesn't, just say, "things changed"..... In the last 3 months, we've been 3 months away from buying HA, being bought by SW, buying JB, growing, shrinking, and shrinking while growing. If OTZ truly had any inside info, he wouldn't say anything. Those with the most to say typically say the least. I noticed he's generalizing now and just saying, "things are going to change soon". Can't be wrong when you state the obvious.

KnockKnock 04-20-2022 06:52 AM

But since we're all placing bets, I'm putting chips on a Sun Country merger. AS gets to needle DAL in MSP, they're small enough to digest and allows AS to maintain control while keeping potential takeovers at a distance, the 800 freighter conversions could fold into the prime cargo deal, Sun Country just pulled out of HA which could be some sort of pre-divestiture and last but not least.....it would throw our contract into an eventual arbitration decision. Disclaimer: I have no inside knowledge and this is just my opinion! Just in case there's a SYmidwest out there ;)

Flyboy8784 04-20-2022 07:04 AM


Originally Posted by KnockKnock (Post 3409151)
But since we're all placing bets, I'm putting chips on a Sun Country merger. AS gets to needle DAL in MSP, they're small enough to digest and allows AS to maintain control while keeping potential takeovers at a distance, the 800 freighter conversions could fold into the prime cargo deal, Sun Country just pulled out of HA which could be some sort of pre-divestiture and last but not least.....it would throw our contract into an eventual arbitration decision. Disclaimer: I have no inside knowledge and this is just my opinion! Just in case there's a SYmidwest out there ;)

hahaha well, I'm putting my house up for sale on May 18th, the same house that il Duce told me (In person) was ok buy in NY after the merger announcement. So my guess? Is that whatever merger happens will happen exactly when I accept an offer

Mudhen200 04-20-2022 07:19 AM


Originally Posted by av8or (Post 3408753)
Probably just needed more cowbell….😐

I believe that is more accurately known as "Carebell".
Did anyone else notice the airline press releases on masks? Every airline made a professional statement, just like a business should. Alaska had to throw in that we should be kind to one another during this difficult transitional time. A group hug over mask removal, how caring.

rickair7777 04-20-2022 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by Mudhen200 (Post 3409176)
I believe that is more accurately known as "Carebell".
Did anyone else notice the airline press releases on masks? Every airline made a professional statement, just like a business should. Alaska had to throw in that we should be kind to one another during this difficult transitional time. A group hug over mask removal, how caring.

Well their hubs include four of the largest metro-scale safe spaces in the country so there's that.

MinRest 04-20-2022 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by Mudhen200 (Post 3409176)
I believe that is more accurately known as "Carebell".
Did anyone else notice the airline press releases on masks? Every airline made a professional statement, just like a business should. Alaska had to throw in that we should be kind to one another during this difficult transitional time. A group hug over mask removal, how caring.

Which is ironic, seeing as AS is the airline that put out a company wide email banning us from hugging each other in the terminal as it was a holdover from the VX days.

Flyboy8784 04-20-2022 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by MinRest (Post 3409242)
Which is ironic, seeing as AS is the airline that put out a company wide email banning us from hugging each other in the terminal as it was a holdover from the VX days.

Totally forgot about that.....and how SW had to do a demonstration on a webcast on how to say hello to fellow employee....another pompous clown who steals marketing ideas from starbucks :rolleyes:

SkyKing466 04-20-2022 10:13 AM

Her and AS are the cringiest of the whole Angler clown show

TheDuster 04-20-2022 10:20 AM

I’m just happy you guys stopped feeding WNEast… that kid has some issues.

Flyboy8784 04-20-2022 10:33 AM


Originally Posted by TheDuster (Post 3409323)
I’m just happy you guys stopped feeding WNEast… that kid has some issues.

I don't pay any mind. The grammatical errors almost sound like he trolls social media DM'S for "Bobs and Vageen"

ShyGuy 04-20-2022 11:56 AM

The only reason these merger rumors started is because Frontier announced a merger with Spirit, then jetBlue announced their interest in Spirit, and Alaska getting merged this year was a guaranteed outcome, because....?

WHACKMASTER 04-20-2022 12:08 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 3409365)
The only reason these merger rumors started is because Frontier announced a merger with Spirit, then jetBlue announced their interest in Spirit, and Alaska getting merged this year was a guaranteed outcome, because....?

…..OTZ said so.

All Bizniz 04-20-2022 12:08 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 3409365)
The only reason these merger rumors started is because Frontier announced a merger with Spirit, then jetBlue announced their interest in Spirit, and Alaska getting merged this year was a guaranteed outcome, because....?

... because smoke is pouring out of the house from more than a few windows...

IFlyEm 04-20-2022 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 3409365)
The only reason these merger rumors started is because Frontier announced a merger with Spirit, then jetBlue announced their interest in Spirit, and Alaska getting merged this year was a guaranteed outcome, because....?

There's a lot more to the rumors then piggybacking on Frontier, Spirit, and JetBlue.
Like:
  • The the SEC filling giving the execs more protection in the event of a buyout.
  • Brad leaving the board
  • Patricia M. Bedient appointment to the board
  • Discontinuing mediation with ALPA
  • Ben's total disappearance from public eye
Are any of these a smoking gun? No. But there's enough smoke here to draw a pretty solid conclusion that we're either looking at someone, someone is looking at us, or a combination of the two.

Caveman 04-20-2022 03:35 PM


Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 3409065)
Come on, Zap. You’re smarter and have far too much industry experience to believe this. First of all, upgrade is based on your relative seniority and not the number of pilots above you. It’s a percentage.

Second, you know darn well how senior SWA FOs (like yourself) faired during the last “marriage”, but I’ll just refresh the memories of those reading:

SWA was a stagnant airline with zero orders on the books in 2010. They bought another airline roughly a third of their size that had new B737s inbound.

SWAPA (with the help of SWA) was able to “capture” 🙄 the captain seats of transitioning pilots and thus many senior SWA FOs got an upgrade much sooner as their upgrade at the time was based on retirements and not fleet growth as again, SWA had no orders on the books.

I’m not advocating that Alaska pilots get treated the same way as the last red-headed stepchildren but to suggest that past mergers (Morris Air being another great example…..staple with pay protection) haven’t been a boost to SWA pilots’ relative seniority and “capture” of captain’s seats would be inaccurate.

In the most recent example, it was all of the “acquired” captain’s seats with an average gain of 8% relative seniority for SWAPA pilots and average loss of 22% for the scum that were acquired.

Why was AirTran for sale

MinRest 04-20-2022 03:37 PM


Originally Posted by IFlyEm (Post 3409390)
There's a lot more to the rumors then piggybacking on Frontier, Spirit, and JetBlue.
Like:
  • The the SEC filling giving the execs more protection in the event of a buyout.
  • Brad leaving the board
  • Patricia M. Bedient appointment to the board
  • Discontinuing mediation with ALPA
  • Ben's total disappearance from public eye
Are any of these a smoking gun? No. But there's enough smoke here to draw a pretty solid conclusion that we're either looking at someone, someone is looking at us, or a combination of the two.

Let's not forget all the items going on in daily operations causing a meltdown operationally, but making the books as profitable as possible. Those new iPads we were told about months ago that are years overdue are nowhere to be seen except for new hires. We were grossly understaffed before, and have let it get worse, and the company won't lift a finger to properly fund and manage any of our departments. Resources are nowhere to be found, and money attention and financial influx is needed in so many areas that are being willfully ignored. This is not on purpose. We can pretend that management is utterly inept and useless, we can absolutely pretend that. However that is a false and grave misstep in the reality.


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