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FAR121 07-18-2022 04:36 PM

Potentially no California crew bases
 
Alaska Airlines Update:

Alaska Airlines is threatening to close its California crew bases after Supreme Court rules that Flight Attendants have a right to meal and rest breaks.

Source: https://rb.gy/orxbtv

So only the cabin crew get a meal break and not the front end? Last I heard the meal break was called the long sit or if one was really desperate the quick turn. Guess Scarf down a sandwich while programming the box is the new normal.

tallpilot 07-18-2022 05:22 PM


Originally Posted by FAR121 (Post 3463058)
Alaska Airlines Update:

Alaska Airlines is threatening to close its California crew bases after Supreme Court rules that Flight Attendants have a right to meal and rest breaks.

Source: https://rb.gy/orxbtv

So only the cabin crew get a meal break and not the front end? Last I heard the meal break was called the long sit or if one was really desperate the quick turn. Guess Scarf down a sandwich while programming the box is the new normal.

I hate to say it but this stuff is long overdue. Airlines want to treat crews like robots. Yes, you can push captain authority and delay things to eat but you can't play that card everyday.

flyprdu 07-18-2022 06:04 PM

Every major airline has a presence in California, and only one is threatening thousands of its employees with upending their lives.

Even if it's only posturing, it's sh*tty. It's par for the course. And I'm absolutely sick of it.

Hot Dog 07-18-2022 08:50 PM

Maybe it’s part of the plan to reduce carbon emissions.

HotDogWater 07-18-2022 09:15 PM

This law is ridiculous to begin with. So any flight out of California is supposed to land after 5 hours or whatever it is to give everyone a break? How would you do any flights heading over the Pacific, the law as it supposedly reads mean they have to be free to get off the plane.

echelon 07-18-2022 09:51 PM


Originally Posted by HotDogWater (Post 3463192)
This law is ridiculous to begin with. So any flight out of California is supposed to land after 5 hours or whatever it is to give everyone a break? How would you do any flights heading over the Pacific, the law as it supposedly reads mean they have to be free to get off the plane.

https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/FAQ_MealPeriods.html

FTA, here is the part of the law that Alaska Airlines doesn't want people to read:


If an employer fails to provide an employee a meal period in accordance with an applicable IWC Order, the employer must pay one additional hour of pay at the employee's regular rate of pay for each workday that the meal period is not provided.
This is not an issue of logistics. This is not an issue of CA crews no longer being able to fly long legs. This is not an issue of having to staff flights with additional crewmembers, or having to land mid-transcon to let the crew off, etc, etc. This is an issue of Alaska Airlines not wanting to incur the cost of having to pay a handful of people on a handful of flights on a handful of days one extra hour of pay.

It's truly in character for Alaska Airlines to not only be indignantly opposed to having to pay the cost of doing business, but to also obfuscate the truth and completely misrepresent the situation.

ShyGuy 07-19-2022 12:03 AM

Read the Q&A, that is addressed in it. The intent is the 1 hr pay is supposed to be for exceptions to a missed break. Not for regularly (purposefully) scheduling of missing breaks. So that isn’t a solution for airlines.

Tireteapot 07-19-2022 04:13 AM

But Alaska Care Lines

ChickenFinger 07-19-2022 06:52 AM


Originally Posted by tallpilot (Post 3463080)
I hate to say it but this stuff is long overdue. Airlines want to treat crews like robots. Yes, you can push captain authority and delay things to eat but you can't play that card everyday.

So what, you prefer the proposed solution?

So when it’s your break time as a pilot, a 3rd pilot comes into your seat, while you go back to a blocked off seat in 1st class to eat your re-heated leftovers you brought from home in the cooler next to all the Passengers?

Uh, no thanks…

av8or 07-19-2022 07:16 AM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 3463219)
Read the Q&A, that is addressed in it. The intent is the 1 hr pay is supposed to be for exceptions to a missed break. Not for regularly (purposefully) scheduling of missing breaks. So that isn’t a solution for airlines.

Or…. It’s paid…. If you are required to stay on/not allowed to leave the premises, as a part of doing your job. There’s a reason Alaska is the ONLY airline in the press with Cali based flight crews, having a come apart about this, and it’s because what was said above…. Money. They don’t wanna pay the extra hour.


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