I’m gonna get flamed here as usual, but the ones that are a hard No just seem like they want to take take take.

While this the first airline negotiations/TA I have been through, I have been involved in many similar negotiations before. The point of all negotiations is for two parties to come together with a list of wants, and ultimately compromise on both sides to come to agreement. I think the MEC did well, and we actually came out far ahead in what if anything was compromised on versus what the company did.

Anyone just basing their decision off the little 8 page quick summary is doing themselves & the pilot group a disservice. There’s much more in the podcasts and on Alaskapilots.org.

For one I think ALPA now having full control over trip pairings in pretty revolutionary.

Has to be the easiest thing for them to be better than you.

It’s my understanding that your going from line bidding to navblue pbs bidding. Is that correct? If that’s the case there should be a transition agreement loa included in the TA? The details of which are going to dictate the leverage or lack there of negotiators will have in eventually coming to a pbs agreement.

Contract enforcement has always been lacking at this airline.

Implementation language with strong penalties for missed targets will be absolutely necessary.

You just did exactly what he predicted you’d do. Lol. You played right into it

I would look for protections in the transition agreement such as. No involuntary position reductions shall result from pbs implementation. In the neighborhood of 4-5% holdback of a mix of opentime. Company pays all expenses associated with implementation. Vacation sell back and slide ability. Just to name a few.

For Lewbronski:

Interesting perspectives on the rail labor situation, for us-we were deadlocked last spring and Mgmt pushed a big turd across the table. That precipitated the picket and strike vote, now because of those actions we are in a very different situation. So, what did the rail workers have on the table? If it was similar to what we had last spring their actions are understandable.

Except airline managements have been playing what’s-mine-is-mine, what’s-yours-is-negotiable for decades. Corrected for inflation, most major airline pay is less by far than what it was in decades past. Pensions have been lost, perks have been cut, B-scales have been implemented, scope has been surrendered, sometimes salaries have just been rolled back altogether.

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1986/09...9171527313600/

Ever hear of a guy called Kasher?

https://archive.seattletimes.com/arc...g=webalaska02m

So finally, after decades of being on the losing end of compromises, the negotiating advantage has switched to labor.

ALPA ought not to be compromising this time, it’s their turn to make nonnegotiable demands.

This has to be a joke… Vote no. Don’t bank on speculation.

Very much agree.

I admit, I was a pretty solid NO when I first saw what came out. The financials put me off for sure. As well as a few other things (reserve days off comes straight to mind). But after reading the executive summary and listening to the podcasts, I was able to learn a little bit more and it definitely shed some light on the things I had some questions/reservations about. Very much looking forward to reading the full TA language, attending a roadshow and asking a few more questions.

I’ve moved to a “definite maybe” position. Huge props to our NC, MEC and our block reps! Not an easy task they had by any means.