Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 3514160)

Proud of this pilot group! :)

82% yes with a 96% participation rate.

Originally Posted by NotTellin (Post 3514164)

My real contempt is for the 4% that did not vote.

Originally Posted by Flaps1check (Post 3514178)

this is the couple 100 guys and gals that couldn’t figure out how to login into their ALPA account

Originally Posted by Flaps1check (Post 3514178)

this is the couple 100 guys and gals that couldn’t figure out how to login into their ALPA account

Originally Posted by CordovaCA (Post 3514195)

Congrats all! Make sure to give your crews a nice treat. Wouldn't have been possible without our awesome MEC and NC.

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3514191)

You couldn't fax it in?

Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 3514160)

Proud of this pilot group! :)

82% yes with a 96% participation rate.

Originally Posted by Av8rRr (Post 3514196)

I’m pretty certain anyone could have gotten this contract! 🥱 Now we just wait for us to keep on falling down. Hooray!!!!!

And for it to be implemented in a year and a half! Woooohoooo!!!!!

Originally Posted by Av8rRr (Post 3514196)

I’m pretty certain anyone could have gotten this contract! 🥱 Now we just wait for us to keep on falling down. Hooray!!!!!

And for it to be implemented in a year and a half! Woooohoooo!!!!!

Originally Posted by Lewbronski (Post 3506088)

None of that matters now because the TA is going to pass with something like an 85% vote in favor of ratification.

The company bargaining in good faith does not necessarily buy them an extra couple of years in mediation. Bargaining in good faith is simply the bare-bones legal requirement that arises out of the RLA's obligation to "exert every reasonable to make and maintain agreements."

If the mediator senses that movement toward an agreement is still possible by using the various tactics available to a mediator to spur on negotiations, then mediation will continue (unless mediation proceeds on a basis that is "patently arbitrary" and for a period that is "patently unreasonable"). If the mediator determines that the parties are at an impasse, then they will recommend to the NMB that the parties be released from mediation. This could happen in months or in years. In the case of the railroads that just wrapped up a few weeks ago, it took months. In many other cases, it has taken years.

It's possible that both sides bargaining in good faith simply refuse to bend any further to the demands of the other despite the best efforts of the mediator to bring about an agreement. The Ninth Circuit explained in a 1980 RLA case that "obstinate and unyielding" positions do not violate the requirements of good faith bargaining.

If "obstinate and unyielding" positions on both sides result in an impasse, then a release may become realistic in well under a couple of years even though both sides are bargaining in good faith.

Originally Posted by Lewbronski (Post 3514245)

Posted the above on Oct 3 on the “Alaska Air Hiring” thread. I’m a SWA guy. Apparently, I have at least as good of a sense of the zeitgeist of the Alaska pilot group as “OTZEagle1,” who, if I recall correctly, predicted a 77% or 78% pass rate.

Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 3514279)

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OTZeagle1's Avatar OTZeagle1 , 09-23-2022 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
If I was an Alaska pilot I’d be wondering why you’re trying to sell the TA so hard. Come to think of it, I’m not an Alaska pilot and I’m still wondering the same thing.
This thing sells its self, we snap up to wherever the big 3 take us.

I have seen the data dude, this thing will pass by 78% +-3%…. Write it down dude. There are only approximately 230 clowns in your group. 😂

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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 3500323)

I have received a warning, if I don’t play nice, I might get permanently banned from APC. But yes, I will be there to watch the show. 🥃🥃🥃🍿🍿🍿

by the way 23 people have privately messaged me they are voting for the TA… not one no yet🤔
Our MEC had unprecedented polling numbers, they knew what the same 80% of adults wanted, remember you can’t fix crazy!

Originally Posted by Roy Biggins (Post 3514325)

What were the pay rate increases again? Also, I believe the snap up clause had 5 airlines…is it the highest of the 5? Congrats on the TA.

Originally Posted by Snuffaluffagus (Post 3514166)

Time to purchase my new boat the S.S. Overblock

Originally Posted by AnchorDown (Post 3514336)

Holiday pay kicks in too, for those working Halloween and Turkey day...... Nevermind, looks like for Turkey day only, according to the text, no mention of Halloween......

Originally Posted by AnchorDown (Post 3514336)

Holiday pay kicks in too, for those working Halloween and Turkey day...... Nevermind, looks like for Turkey day only, according to the text, no mention of Halloween......

Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 3514206)

Many of the roughly 112 that didn’t vote were EIL’s. Pilots that are already retired and felt they really didn’t have a dog in the fight. It was very nearly 100% participation, there are always a few, but we are talking a few.

Couple hundred, well that once again is gross
exaggeration from the 30 who are clueless how math even works🙄

Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 3514348)

uhm sorry no holiday pay for Halloween this year

Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 3514320)

Quote:
Originally Posted by IFlyEm
Lol I haven't talked to one yes vote yet. Vote yes if it works for you. But I guarantee it's not passing with 75%



Quote:
Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
Yes, I am losing with the dirty 30 on APC but I have 1970 yes votes in SEA, PDX, ANC. Dude that’s game set match. And those are embarrassingly good numbers. We will likely scrape another 50 SFO and another 250ish in LAX.
Our MEC is awesome, our NC incredible… you should all be thanking them. But please please please tell all your friends to vote no, and hide in your bunker🤭

1970+ 50+ 250= yes use your fingers and toes
2270

2270/2800 that get to vote, put your shoes back on guys, you will differentially need a calculator for this🤭😂🤣
wait for it… 81%😂😂😂


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Way off right Lew? 🤔 Listen to the 30 everyone. Come back in 2 years, this won’t age well, right?🙄
How were my math skilz?

I LOVE GUARANTEES!

Hey Lew, kinda seems like I gave very specific numbers…not as accurate as you though?🤔 but never as good as a SWA pilot🥱🥱🥱
☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️

Originally Posted by Flaps1check (Post 3514357)

it was a joke, I don’t care who votes or doesn’t or which way someone votes

Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 3514348)

uhm sorry no holiday pay for Halloween this year

Originally Posted by Upntheair27 (Post 3514478)

Does your new holiday pay cover just hours flown on said holiday or the entire sequence that touches holiday? Thanks.

Originally Posted by Snuffaluffagus (Post 3514166)

Time to purchase my new boat the S.S. Overblock

Originally Posted by Av8rRr (Post 3514196)

I’m pretty certain anyone could have gotten this contract! 🥱 Now we just wait for us to keep on falling down. Hooray!!!!!

And for it to be implemented in a year and a half! Woooohoooo!!!!!

Originally Posted by CordovaCA (Post 3514548)

Jeez. You should throw a pity party with the 18%. Talk about how industry leading is a B scale and tell each other how much better you could have done at the table.

Or enjoy the 40k & pay raise. Buy the flight attendants some coffee. And be happy your union secured our flying for the first time in 90 years.

I'll be at the 82% party, I'm guessing that one is going to be a lot more fun.

Originally Posted by GreatBigSea (Post 3514600)

33k Signing bonus + 2 months retro for Captains. FO’s will probably end up with 30k total, at least before Uncle Sam takes his share.