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AK22 09-01-2025 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by Capo2ndFret (Post 3944527)
Is the bonus seniority in the room with us now?

Lottery winners…incoming.

Akamai 09-01-2025 09:22 PM


Originally Posted by AK22 (Post 3944509)
That is a deeply flawed assumption.

When the WB pilots use their bonus seniority to invade your base and seat you will certainly feel the effects. Seniority is a zero sum game, loosing relative seniority on the overall list and having a bunch of folks dumped ahead of you because of completely subjective criteria will 100% effect your career…until you retire.

Why would a WB pilot invade your base and seat? No one flying a WB wants to fly a 737, especially when we have two WB domiciles on the mainland now. There is a reason WB FO is senior to NB CA at all the legacy’s, just saying.

AK22 09-01-2025 10:07 PM


Originally Posted by Akamai (Post 3944571)
Why would a WB pilot invade your base and seat? No one flying a WB wants to fly a 737, especially when we have two WB domiciles on the mainland now. There is a reason WB FO is senior to NB CA at all the legacy’s, just saying.

If you’re a WB FO who now has seniority to hold NB Capt in the city you live in, I’m guessing that might be tempting. Or a WB Capt that lives in say PDX, SFO or LAX and doesn’t want to commute.

Yes, “we” now have two mainland WB bases, you’re welcome.

Akamai 09-01-2025 10:29 PM


Originally Posted by AK22 (Post 3944573)
If you’re a WB FO who now has seniority to hold NB Capt in the city you live in, I’m guessing that might be tempting. Or a WB Capt that lives in say PDX, SFO or LAX and doesn’t want to commute.

Yes, “we” now have two mainland WB bases, you’re welcome.

If you look at the flying, it’s not tempting. There is zero chance a WB CA bids the 737 to not commute. There is a small chance a WB FO takes the bait and bids 737 CA to not commute, until they realize they made a mistake and bid back. Again, I’m not just making this up, there is a very good reason WB FO is senior to NB CA at the other legacies. Many say it’s like two different jobs entirely.

We had a SEA domicile previously, thanks but we didn’t miss it. Looking at the most recent vacancy it’s gonna be new hires into the 787 in SEA at HAL soon, cause no one wants to be in SEA.

Hawaii808 09-01-2025 10:56 PM


Originally Posted by AK22 (Post 3944573)
If you’re a WB FO who now has seniority to hold NB Capt in the city you live in, I’m guessing that might be tempting. Or a WB Capt that lives in say PDX, SFO or LAX and doesn’t want to commute.

Yes, “we” now have two mainland WB bases, you’re welcome.

two? mainland WB bases? Did I miss something?

Gobows 09-01-2025 11:18 PM


Originally Posted by AK22 (Post 3944573)
If you’re a WB FO who now has seniority to hold NB Capt in the city you live in, I’m guessing that might be tempting. Or a WB Capt that lives in say PDX, SFO or LAX and doesn’t want to commute.

Yes, “we” now have two mainland WB bases, you’re welcome.

Thank you, personally, for rescuing us.

AK22 09-01-2025 11:31 PM


Originally Posted by Gobows (Post 3944578)
Thank you, personally, for rescuing us.

Well, since your future career expectations are riding on the backs of legacy Alaska pilots…you’re welcome. Personally.

At this point, I’m just hoping our company survives this adventure. The turnaround seems to be making a little progress. But, a lot of risk is on the table.

PineappleXpres 09-01-2025 11:48 PM


Originally Posted by AK22 (Post 3944580)
Well, since your future career expectations are riding on the backs of legacy Alaska pilots…you’re welcome. Personally.

At this point, I’m just hoping our company survives this adventure. The turnaround seems to be making a little progress. But, a lot of risk is on the table.

Single fleet legacy and out Southwest, Southwest? that wasn’t a slam dunk for the next 30 years. Be glad you got heavy’s before they did.

Akamai 09-02-2025 12:13 AM


Originally Posted by AK22 (Post 3944580)
Well, since your future career expectations are riding on the backs of legacy Alaska pilots…you’re welcome. Personally.

At this point, I’m just hoping our company survives this adventure. The turnaround seems to be making a little progress. But, a lot of risk is on the table.

I hope you like swinging gear and talking on the radios! Giddy up! Personally.

WindWalker999 09-02-2025 01:53 AM


Originally Posted by Akamai (Post 3944586)
I hope you like swinging gear and talking on the radios! Giddy up! Personally.

Remember that “WB CA” in the sense of SLI is not likely to mean actually holding a 787/330 vacancy…. It will probably be “stovepiped” based on what you “could” hold. So if you happen to be the number 1 or 2 narrow body captain (321/717) but have the seniority to be way up the wide body list, you are considered a WB CA for the purposes of the list. So the “widebody captains won’t interfere in the day to day life” or whatever is a non-relevant point.

And with the narrow body fleets that I imagine will work both ways. No fences around the A321 or the 737 I assume, based on past precedent?


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