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Spoilers 12-17-2013 12:58 PM

System won't let me upload any attachments, tried IE and Firefox.

Also, besides uploading recommendation letters, is there a place for current pilots to email or submit recs?

SVA402 12-17-2013 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by Spoilers (Post 1541567)
System won't let me upload any attachments, tried IE and Firefox.

Also, besides uploading recommendation letters, is there a place for current pilots to email or submit recs?

Where did you try to do it on the app? The page you use is "my career tools". You would then upload the letter from a pilot yourself there, along with cover letter, etc.

Kenny Powers 12-17-2013 09:18 PM

I have no dog in this fight but curious about one of their hiring requirements....

"20/20 corrected in each eye"

Say one has a first class medical with no restrictions, however has a SODA for having best corrected distant vision in one eye at 20/25. The near vision in that eye is 20/20 and the other eye's near and distant vision are both 20/20.

If they otherwise meet the requirements, is that a no-go? How can they "legally" get away with this when the FAA says all you need is a first class medical. I thought most of the majors were done with the astronaut type physicals anyway?

Again, no dog in this fight, but just curious how this would play out....

Herc67 12-18-2013 01:45 AM

Question on background checks
 
How does Alaska or any other airline check with your "employer" if you are military? Do they ask for your fitness reports, Form 8's, etc? Do they just start calling the Squadron, Ops Group, or Wing Commander until they get a hold of someone and say "we are such and such.....what do you think of this person?" Not trying to be antagonistic, just wondering how that process works, especially since there is a high turnover rate in a Squadron.

hoodabundy 12-18-2013 06:18 AM

I have been trying to upload letters of rec and its not working. I recall this happening during the last window but cant remember how I got them to work.

Packrat 12-18-2013 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by Kenny Powers (Post 1541890)
I have no dog in this fight but curious about one of their hiring requirements....

"20/20 corrected in each eye"

Say one has a first class medical with no restrictions, however has a SODA for having best corrected distant vision in one eye at 20/25. The near vision in that eye is 20/20 and the other eye's near and distant vision are both 20/20.

If they otherwise meet the requirements, is that a no-go? How can they "legally" get away with this when the FAA says all you need is a first class medical. I thought most of the majors were done with the astronaut type physicals anyway?

Again, no dog in this fight, but just curious how this would play out....

Its just another eliminator. When you have 3000-5000 apps for 66 positions you add requirements that cull the herd. I'm not saying its fair or that you may eliminate a superior aviator. But that's the way the game is played in HR departments.

One of my AS buds told me the CP has 300+ apps on his desk with in house recs or sons/daughters of active pilots. Those will get the first look.


Originally Posted by Herc67 (Post 1541927)
How does Alaska or any other airline check with your "employer" if you are military? Do they ask for your fitness reports, Form 8's, etc? Do they just start calling the Squadron, Ops Group, or Wing Commander until they get a hold of someone and say "we are such and such.....what do you think of this person?" Not trying to be antagonistic, just wondering how that process works, especially since there is a high turnover rate in a Squadron.

I've never heard of any airline calling squadrons. Military flight training and experience are a known factor with the airlines. They know the standardization is consistent. With civilian trained and experienced pilots you just don't know the level of training.

You can pretty much buy any license or type rating you want if you shop around.

Spoilers 12-18-2013 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by hoodabundy (Post 1542012)
I have been trying to upload letters of rec and its not working. I recall this happening during the last window but cant remember how I got them to work.

I have the exact same problem like I have mentioned earlier in this thread. I have a rec letter from an AS pilot, but cannot upload anything. Tried different browsers, too.

gooddeal 12-18-2013 05:55 PM


Originally Posted by Herc67 (Post 1541927)
How does Alaska or any other airline check with your "employer" if you are military? Do they ask for your fitness reports, Form 8's, etc? Do they just start calling the Squadron, Ops Group, or Wing Commander until they get a hold of someone and say "we are such and such.....what do you think of this person?" Not trying to be antagonistic, just wondering how that process works, especially since there is a high turnover rate in a Squadron.

A third party firm will be used to conduct a background check...pretty standard at most carriers. One of the tasks will be to verify employment...which will not likely result in anything but just that. Just use a phone number where there would be little chance in the person who answers the phone didn't know you were ever assigned there. Don't let your chance of being hired at a carrier be lost because some third party didn't get to talk with the right person. Your letters of recommendation would most likely be the source of character references.

Good Luck!

ArcticDog 12-18-2013 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by Kenny Powers (Post 1541890)
I have no dog in this fight but curious about one of their hiring requirements....

"20/20 corrected in each eye"

Say one has a first class medical with no restrictions, however has a SODA for having best corrected distant vision in one eye at 20/25. The near vision in that eye is 20/20 and the other eye's near and distant vision are both 20/20.

If they otherwise meet the requirements, is that a no-go? How can they "legally" get away with this when the FAA says all you need is a first class medical. I thought most of the majors were done with the astronaut type physicals anyway?

Again, no dog in this fight, but just curious how this would play out....

I'm guessing here, but as far as I know they still do not do any sort of medical exam. As long as you can hold a valid first class medical, I would say you are good.

biigD 12-18-2013 08:34 PM


Originally Posted by Spoilers (Post 1542207)
I have the exact same problem like I have mentioned earlier in this thread. I have a rec letter from an AS pilot, but cannot upload anything. Tried different browsers, too.

I have the same problem. Fortunately the application included my earlier recs and cover letter, but I can't seem to add any additional ones. I tried Safari and Firefox on the Mac, and Explorer and Firefox on the PC. Once I click the 'upload' button after selecting the pdf file, it just hangs up.

That said, I don't have an internal, so there's no way I'll get a call regardless.

Herc67 12-19-2013 12:19 AM


Originally Posted by gooddeal (Post 1542428)
A third party firm will be used to conduct a background check...pretty standard at most carriers. One of the tasks will be to verify employment...which will not likely result in anything but just that. Just use a phone number where there would be little chance in the person who answers the phone didn't know you were ever assigned there. Don't let your chance of being hired at a carrier be lost because some third party didn't get to talk with the right person. Your letters of recommendation would most likely be the source of character references.

Good Luck!

Thank you for the reply.

MusicMan 12-19-2013 02:29 PM

I reapplied today but when I was double checking my prevous entries under college education, I got a message saying "graduate indicator should be set to on" but I saw no such indicator, even after looking with multiple browsers. Anyone else have this problem?

SVA402 12-19-2013 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by MusicMan (Post 1543045)
I reapplied today but when I was double checking my prevous entries under college education, I got a message saying "graduate indicator should be set to on" but I saw no such indicator, even after looking with multiple browsers. Anyone else have this problem?

Yes this is an IT glitch. Delete the entry and re-enter it like it's a new one and you won't have the problem.

e6bpilot 12-19-2013 05:20 PM

It is not the easiest system to navigate, and once you hit submit, you are locked in. Funny thing is, my ex-neighbor (I used to live in SEA) is an IT manager in charge of their website. I think I am going to call him and give him some heat about it.

I had to make a correction to my resume' and add an availability date since there wasn't a spot for one on their website. I just emailed their HR folks and they got right back to me. The email that I got back was very friendly, personal, and conversational, not an automatic response or anything like that. It just reaffirmed my decision to apply and hope for an interview. I would definitely rather fly with Alaska then a few of their higher paid competitors.

Packrat 12-19-2013 06:22 PM

If you're an IT guy who lives in SEA and works for Alaska, you probably aren't the pick of the litter.

e6bpilot 12-19-2013 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 1543232)
If you're an IT guy who lives in SEA and works for Alaska, you probably aren't the pick of the litter.

He left Microsoft to work for them. He is doing ok.

MusicMan 12-19-2013 08:48 PM


Originally Posted by SVA402 (Post 1543046)
Yes this is an IT glitch. Delete the entry and re-enter it like it's a new one and you won't have the problem.

Unfortunately I already hit submit, not realizing you could not alter it later. I showed in at least 3 other places I am a college graduate so hopefully it will not be an issue.

e6bpilot 12-20-2013 06:56 AM


Originally Posted by MusicMan (Post 1543344)
Unfortunately I already hit submit, not realizing you could not alter it later. I showed in at least 3 other places I am a college graduate so hopefully it will not be an issue.

Email them at [email protected]. They will ensure it is fixed.

Std Deviation 12-20-2013 08:27 AM


Originally Posted by MusicMan (Post 1543344)
Unfortunately I already hit submit, not realizing you could not alter it later. I showed in at least 3 other places I am a college graduate so hopefully it will not be an issue.

I remember a "check the box" that said something about a bachelor degree...(yes/no). I had the same IT issue.

yesbuddhaluvsme 12-20-2013 06:36 PM

Does anyone know if C-17 Time counts as "High performance" per their 1200 requirement?

e6bpilot 12-20-2013 07:13 PM


Originally Posted by yesbuddhaluvsme (Post 1543994)
Does anyone know if C-17 Time counts as "High performance" per their 1200 requirement?

Who knows...high performance is technically any aircraft above 250 hp. I would say you could email them and ask.

MikeF16 12-20-2013 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by e6bpilot (Post 1544004)
Who knows...high performance is technically any aircraft above 250 hp. I would say you could email them and ask.

Pretty sure it is their intent to lower the hours requirement for fighter pilots but as long as you feel like you can justify your answer in an interview have a nut. If I flew heavies I wouldn't consider my aircraft high performance just to make it under the wire of a reduced hours requirement. Makes me wonder if they'd consider the pathetically underpowered T-37 and T-38 "high performance" :).

seattlepilot 12-21-2013 02:29 AM

Alaska Air Hiring
 
threw my name in the hat. not expecting a phone call though :)

e6bpilot 12-21-2013 06:11 AM


Originally Posted by MikeF16 (Post 1544012)
Pretty sure it is their intent to lower the hours requirement for fighter pilots but as long as you feel like you can justify your answer in an interview have a nut. If I flew heavies I wouldn't consider my aircraft high performance just to make it under the wire of a reduced hours requirement. Makes me wonder if they'd consider the pathetically underpowered T-37 and T-38 "high performance" :).

I am over 3,000 either way, so it doesn't matter to me. I would agree, that sounds like the intent of the 1,200 question. Single seat guys tend to get less hours due to shorter legs. I don't know that a 1,200 fighter guy equals a 3,000 heavy guy in experience level (2.5 to 3 flying tours) though, but I am not the one doing the hiring.
I agree, though, where do you draw the line? T-37? T-38? T-34 (550HP, but waaaaaay underpowered), T-6?

There are a lot of UPT and Navy VT guys that have over 1,200 in model and less than 3,000 total.

Somerset78 12-21-2013 06:21 AM

What's up with the nicotine question? No smoking at Alaska? Even the gum, haha. And going back 2 years no less, wow. Not that I'm a smoker, just found it curious.

e6bpilot 12-21-2013 06:29 AM

I found that curious too. Maybe someone from Alaska can weigh in...
Insurance premiums?
Company culture?

It sure eliminates a lot of qualified candidates.

Packrat 12-21-2013 07:31 AM


Originally Posted by Somerset78 (Post 1544145)
What's up with the nicotine question? No smoking at Alaska? Even the gum, haha. And going back 2 years no less, wow. Not that I'm a smoker, just found it curious.

Its been that way for at least 25 years. The curious thing is once you get hired, they don't care if you smoke. Go figure.

P.S. They test for nicotine on your pre-hire drug test.

Mudhen200 12-21-2013 09:37 AM

On my interview day - all of us in suits and ties, sitting together in a large room, filling out the paperwork. A HR lady is walking around us like an old school nun looking over our shoulders as we all write our "tell us about yourself" stories. A military guy raises his hand and asks about the smoking / nicotine question. He obviously had not studied the company and had no idea. He tells the HR lady that he does not smoke, but that he did have a cigar at a friends wedding about 6 weeks ago - and was that OK? She says to him, it's a yes or no question - have you smoked in the last two years. He says, well... I guess I have and marks his paper as such.
We all turn our paperwork in and are giving our instructions on where to go and what to do for the next phase - except Mr. Knucklehead, who was thanked for his time and sent out the door. True story...

WARich 12-21-2013 09:51 AM


Originally Posted by Mudhen200 (Post 1544292)
On my interview day - all of us in suits and ties, sitting together in a large room, filling out the paperwork. A HR lady is walking around us like an old school nun looking over our shoulders as we all write our "tell us about yourself" stories. A military guy raises his hand and asks about the smoking / nicotine question. He obviously had not studied the company and had no idea. He tells the HR lady that he does not smoke, but that he did have a cigar at a friends wedding about 6 weeks ago - and was that OK? She says to him, it's a yes or no question - have you smoked in the last two years. He says, well... I guess I have and marks his paper as such.
We all turn our paperwork in and are giving our instructions on where to go and what to do for the next phase - except Mr. Knucklehead, who was thanked for his time and sent out the door. True story...

I don't think I know one mil type that hasn't smoked a cigar in the last 2 yrs. Geesh....... Of course except for myself.....:D

Packrat 12-21-2013 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by Mudhen200 (Post 1544292)
We all turn our paperwork in and are giving our instructions on where to go and what to do for the next phase - except Mr. Knucklehead, who was thanked for his time and sent out the door. True story...

Unlike pot which can be detected in urine for a month, nicotine is gone in 4-5 days. If you haven't smoked in a couple weeks, you're probably ok.

Don't be a Knucklehead.

AtlCSIP 12-21-2013 01:13 PM


Originally Posted by e6bpilot (Post 1544004)
Who knows...high performance is technically any aircraft above 250 hp. I would say you could email them and ask.

Actually, it's anything above 200 hp, but the app specifically stated turbine, multi engine, high performance, IIRC. I would think that anything as large as a king air or larger would suffice.

shfo 12-21-2013 03:50 PM


Originally Posted by AtlCSIP (Post 1544407)
Actually, it's anything above 200 hp, but the app specifically stated turbine, multi engine, high performance, IIRC. I would think that anything as large as a king air or larger would suffice.

It says large (Part I) which is an a/c over 41,000 MGTOW.

SVA402 12-21-2013 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by shfo (Post 1544488)
It says large (Part I) which is an a/c over 41,000 MGTOW.

It lists that as an option. Technically the way they listed it with commas means any of each of the options listed. However, I'm not sure that they intended that...

yesbuddhaluvsme 12-21-2013 05:24 PM

I kind of figured they were talking about Fighters, but since it was not defined, I submitted an app anyway... I'm happy to play dumb if that's what they come back with... I'm betting most other cargo carriers haven't seen 40 deg nose up on departure, or -20,000 VVI on descent... if they want some justification.

bgmann 12-21-2013 06:15 PM


Is not using IE 8 a deal breaker? Since I don't own a PC (Mac user) I started the process on Chrome then intended on submitting from IE at work but hit submit button instead of save. Am I screwed? I got an email from AS saying it was submitted but there was no content in email. Only the subject line saying application was submitted. Thoughts?
I also got a blank sheet email with just a subject notation that the app was received. I had the hardest time getting files to attach properly. Tried a PC and Mac. And IE safari mozilla and chrome.

hooveb 12-22-2013 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by Spoilers (Post 1541567)
System won't let me upload any attachments, tried IE and Firefox.

Also, besides uploading recommendation letters, is there a place for current pilots to email or submit recs?

System doesn't like PDF, go with word 2003 a .doc not .docx Worked for me.

Good luck.

gearcrankr 12-23-2013 06:20 PM

Any Alaska job fairs coming up? Hopefully a recent new hire can shed some light on the process.

Z_Pilot 12-23-2013 10:12 PM


Originally Posted by gearcrankr (Post 1546013)
Any Alaska job fairs coming up? Hopefully a recent new hire can shed some light on the process.

I think they'll be at the Northwest Aviation Conference & Trade show in Puyallup...but...not confirmed.

gearcrankr 12-24-2013 05:12 AM


Originally Posted by Z_Pilot (Post 1546145)
I think they'll be at the Northwest Aviation Conference & Trade show in Puyallup...but...not confirmed.

Do you know if they venture beyond the PNW? Puyallup is a little tough in getting to for a lot of people. Thanks for the response.

Merry Christmas

WARich 12-24-2013 05:30 AM


Originally Posted by gearcrankr (Post 1546222)
Do you know if they venture beyond the PNW? Puyallup is a little tough in getting to for a lot of people. Thanks for the response.

Merry Christmas

They are on the list for the WIA conference.


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