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If that’s how Section 1 negotiations are going, I can’t even imagine what Section 25 negotiations look like…

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Originally Posted by Back2future (Post 3249071)

Refused to confirm that Alaska Airlines flying would be performed with two seniority list pilots in the cockpit=12pt

Is this a real issue?

What’s wrong with the scheduling and work roles?

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Originally Posted by KenNoisewaterMD (Post 3249130)

Is this a real issue?

They just made it one by refusing to commit on paper to it NOT being an issue.

Lol so what you’re saying is now 2 years into negotiations literally no headway has been made whatsoever.. that all this rv roadshow cookouts, unity talks, management is gonna pay this time talk etc talk has been fruitless? Shocking. This management group will not bend ever, nor do they have any reason to. For 84 years now Alaska pilots have buckled to management and they except nothing different. Alaska’s current contract will be in place for a long long time and any new agreement will provide minimal gains at the very best.

If you’re still on our list and can leave, blast those apps out. If you’re thinking of coming here, run fast the other direction. Your job as a regional captain is better in every way except hourly pay rate. Run run run.

also, this negotiation update was posted on our internal message board over a day ago. Since then only one response has been posted in disbelief about the ridiculous stance of management... that alone speaks volumes about the level of outrage and action our pilot group is willing to take. We get what we fight for, which yet again will be industry basement by a mile

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Originally Posted by Back2future (Post 3249071)

For everyone that’s looking to come here it’s going to be some rough going for a long time.

Management representatives acknowledged the reasonableness of ALPA’s Section 1 proposals but rejected each and every one of its critical parts by saying repeatedly that the Company was not willing to give up future flexibility and its competitive advantage. More specifically, the Company

Was unwilling to limit RJs to 76 seats and 86,000 (or agree to any seat limits at all)
Rejected our proposal to establish a ratio of RJs to mainline aircraft
Refused to confirm that Alaska Airlines flying would be performed with two seniority list pilots in the cockpit
Opposed even liberal or relaxed code share provisions and would not even commit that Alaska Airlines would continue to grow and expand if code share agreements were entered
Vetoed our proposal to require an agreement with us to establish “joint ventures” with other airlines (where the Company profits but no Alaska flying or pilots are required), and

Turned down the MEC’s proposals to protect Alaska pilots in a merger or transaction like the contract provisions that exist for other mainline carrier pilots.

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Originally Posted by Ala5ka (Post 3249209)

There are plenty of people in disbelief not posting on the message boards. Especially in regards to the company email from the big boss saying scope hasn’t hurt any mainline Alaska Pilot. If SFO closes its directly related to that issue.

I went to the Union meet and greet thingy and spoke with some of the negotiating people. It didn’t sound *that* bad. The Union is at least trying for me. It’s more than anyone has done for my career other than myself...

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My post came off without praise to the Union.. I agree with you, they are trying very hard and I value their effort immensely. They are working so hard. It’s this company whom I hold disdain for the way they negotiate and don’t live the values that they force upon us.

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Originally Posted by NewGuy01 (Post 3249255)

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Originally Posted by Ala5ka (Post 3249263)

I feel for those Union people. Thanks for clarifying. We have out of touch management that do not have our backs. We really only have each other at this point.

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Agreed entirely

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Originally Posted by NewGuy01 (Post 3249264)

I feel for those Union people. Thanks for clarifying. We have out of touch management that do not have our backs. We really only have each other at this point.

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Originally Posted by NewGuy01 (Post 3249264)

I feel for those Union people. Thanks for clarifying. We have out of touch management that do not have our backs. We really only have each other at this point.

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yep. Management will always fight for the bottom line. Unity in your ranks is a powerful thing though. If you can achieve the unity and resolve among the group, it can be done. Having strong leadership in the union is a necessary start, but it will also take the support of the rank and file having their backs. Good luck.

-Former Comair Pilot. 89days