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woog315 07-29-2018 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by labbats (Post 2644500)
Pretty big jump from reading that to posting here that you have an interview.

I'm not the guy that originally asked the question about it, but it rather clearly says "Once class dates are available, you will be notified of your next steps within the interview process.", so i wouldn't call it a big jump at all. It's an interview pool, and if you are in it you will interview once they fire up again.

tom11011 07-29-2018 11:16 AM

Unless there is some major expansion announced at the end of our Airbus transition in November (which is very possible), I do not see any hiring at all for the remainder of this year and likely into to at least the beginning of 2019.

We are pretty fat on pilots. Our latest seniority list shows 896 pilots which is down from our high of 908 in January. A portion of these are management pilots.

Right now, we have about 93 airplanes. According to the latest posted financial report, by the end of the year we will be down to 77 airplanes. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/alleg...200100911.html They are targeting 4 airplanes as spares which seems impossibly low given our geographic diversity.

I would venture to say that any other LCC airline probably has their airplanes available for revenue about 18 hours per day and staffs each airplane with about 10 pilots per plane on average. Allegiant's aircraft utilization is lower. Allegiant's pilot utilization is about the same but is being targeted lower to 7.6 pilots per airplane by 2020 which also seems impossibly low (source: Investor Day 2017 document).

Not hard to see the math.

This is a growth airline whose growth has been interrupted for a year because of the aircraft transition. I am sure we will be back in growth mode very soon.

symbian simian 07-29-2018 11:35 AM


Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 2644742)
Unless there is some major expansion announced at the end of our Airbus transition in November (which is very possible), I do not see any hiring at all for the remainder of this year and likely into to at least the beginning of 2019.

We are pretty fat on pilots. Our latest seniority list shows 896 pilots which is down from our high of 908 in January. A portion of these are management pilots.

Right now, we have about 93 airplanes. According to the latest posted financial report, by the end of the year we will be down to 77 airplanes. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/alleg...200100911.html They are targeting 4 airplanes as spares which seems impossibly low given our geographic diversity.

I would venture to say that any other LCC airline probably has their airplanes available for revenue about 18 hours per day and staffs each airplane with about 10 pilots per plane on average. Allegiant's aircraft utilization is lower. Allegiant's pilot utilization is about the same but is being targeted lower to 7.6 pilots per airplane by 2020 which also seems impossibly low (source: Investor Day 2017 document).

Not hard to see the math.

This is a growth airline whose growth has been interrupted for a year because of the aircraft transition. I am sure we will be back in growth mode very soon.

NK has 17 pilots/aircraft

tom11011 07-29-2018 11:41 AM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 2644756)
NK has 17 pilots/aircraft


Wow, that surprises me!

Vegaspilot 07-31-2018 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 2644764)
Wow, that surprises me!

Frontier was around 19 per plane. Legacies about 12-14 per plane. We are way low at 9.6. 7.1 per plane is ridiculous.


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