FreshWater

G4 sure does have deep pockets, they just wrote a check to the Kinzer legal team (my guess) for over 10 million dollars. A midnight hour last minute out of court settlement, because G4 was going to lose big time and they knew it. G4 management is machine gunning contract violations faster than the pilot group can write them up. We ultimately win well over 50 percent of our disputes. All in an effort to frustrate and break/bankrupt the pilot union.

Are they winning?

Desert Sky

That's not a reason to post internal info on a public forum. People can always open a FB account and solely use it for internal union issues or email the exco asking for another forum option.

tom11011

Obviously people don't agree with you

dutch rudder

I hear negative sentiments regarding the company’s treatment of the contract, especially here. I hear things like “company completely disregards the contract,” and “company constantly battles pilots, they hate us.”

I am going to propose something controversial. Put your pitchfork down and hear me out. Ok, here goes… what if we brought this on ourselves? What if it’s our fault there are so many grievances? Yes, even the PBS situation. After all, we voted yes on this contract. Should we be as angry knowing the decision came from us? There, I said it.

Perhaps the company is only doing what our contract allows them to do. Maybe they are just interpreting it differently because the contract allows interpretation… we all know this is true. What if nothing malicious is taking place and they’re simply doing what we voted to let them do? I know there are exceptions.

This should be our motivation going into the next round of negotiations. Let’s not forget.

FreshWater

I do hope we can continue to discuss all these matters in a civil tone during our eventual status quo strike. Should be quite the show, all those pretty airbus’s parked for just a few days. This will be a fantastic opportunity for maintenance to get all caught up.

labbats

I suggest you call your union rep and get the full story. You will be surprised at why we are where we are now. It is unreasonable and thus goes against our contract quoted above.

CAirBear

I swear to god it better happen! ENOUGH is ENOUGH.

The notion we have put ourselves in this position is asinine. The PBS LOA was 95% agreed upon, by BOTH parties before the company walked away and said F you. Now they are trying to implement this without any LOA. What are you smoking?

dutch rudder

If the LOA contained only the sentence you posted, perhaps we would be better off. Why didn’t you post the paragraph directly above it? You know, the paragraph that states that the company and PBS committee will select a PBS vendor, “including the consideration of the current in-house solution.” No consideration should be given to the in-house solution, so why is that sentence even there?

dutch rudder

I think you're taking my words further than I intended. Of course we aren’t responsible for the company reneging on the 95%. However, we did put ourselves in the situation of being 2 years in without any consequences for the company.

For example, what if our LOA contained a clause like “both parties shall mutually agree to a PBS vendor within one year. NO consideration will be given to in-house solution. After one year has elapsed without agreement, the PBS committee shall make the selection.” Hypothetical? Yes, but with language like that, you'd bet your ass we’d have new software.

CAirBear

They have not once (management) ever talked about using CBI. Maybe in the very beginning, and I missed it, but they seem to want SmartPref and both the Union and Company agreed on it. Obviously they feel they are going to implement it without an LOA (Good luck this isn’t pre-CBA). I will ask you this, even if we had hard time lines in place why would you think they would still care or honor them?

I know everyone says it was unrealistic, but we did in fact have a deadline. This was supposed to be done Jan 1, 2016.