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Hey guys, congratulations to all starting training soon. It has been a wild year.

can anyone share some light on what training might look like? Length, logistics, etc...

thank you!

Training is pretty leisurely. Few weeks of ground.. two weeks or so of SITs (non-motion cockpit trainer), Oral, then ~7 SIMs. PC, then EET/LOFT/IOE. Anything could be in Orlando or Vegas.

I am wondering once people are in class are they going to do seniority based on SS or based on how long they have been in the pool? 🤔 might be a dumb questions

The CBA does not address seniority within a pool. It is senior based on last 4 of SS number within a class.


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Class seniority is based on last 4 of Social, lowest is most senior.

Training
 

Does Allegiant fly your significant other out to Vegas for a meet and greet like some of the other majors? Just curious

Allegiant doesn’t even fly you out to Vegas.


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Yes, they will, but only on Allegiant.

What are these meet and greets you speak of? If you're referring to a wing ceremony like United, or a reception at the museum, like Delta, no. There is no such thing.

You'll get your wings after you pass your type oral. Or after systems. Or maybe after your type ride. Or you'll be trying to chase them down on your way to IOE. Nothing special happens here. It's part of the attraction. This is a go to work, do your job properly, go home, collect your check kind of place. Don't come here expecting any kind of white glove treatment, because you'll be very disappointed. This isn't a legacy airline, it's an Ultra Low Cost Carrier where people at HQ fret over the cost of mailing things via USPS.

No, they don't fly your spouse out. Travel benefits start after 30 days. (60 days for ZED). I guess they can non rev out to you after that if you need a conjugal visit in training.

6 months for zed.

and there is a wings ceremony (at least there was shortly before covid) but it was laughable 😵‍💫. Would not advise you fly your spouse out.

I stand corrected on the ZED. Never used one. Never even tried it.

Whatever "wing ceremony" you got was more than I did. I had a check airman slide them to me across the table and say "here, I don't know when else you're supposed to get these, so just take them now".

Yep. That sounds familiar to me as well.


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they do provide travel to new hire training from wherever as well as continuous accommodations. They often buy OAL tickets for travel such as this.

Not exactly. They provide travel on Allegiant. Since we don’t connect and don’t go everywhere out of LAS, good luck getting there from the east coast.


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unless things have changed post pandemic they do. I flew in on AA courtesy of Allegiant. I even expensed the bag fees. Not sure when your experience was but this was 2019.

It was 2016 for me.


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They flew out the current class on multiple carriers fwiw.

It’s good to know that things are improving.


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What’s training pay like, and does the company put you in a hotel during the time spent in LAS or SFB?

training pay is 70 hours guarantee, with 24/7 per diem for all time spent out of Las Vegas (seems this issue was finally resolved). Yes Hotels, but may or may not be an extended stay hotel such as Residence Inn.

Thank you!

Two questions:

When are the training resources issued? Day one of ground, or anything prior to study?

Dress code and length of fingerprints/logbook review. (Conservatively, I’ll just dress professional).

Thanks in advance

The fingerprints/logbook review is new since covid since the interviews are now virtual. I would dress business casual with a tie but a suit jacket isn't necessary since you already have the job. This is also how you should dress on the first day of indoc but then it becomes more casual over time, but no jeans allowed and a collared shirt is necessary.

And nothing to study before arriving, just come in with a clear mind and all your affairs at home taken care of. They'll provide the posters and iPad on day one. The pace of training is very leisurely, however the resources such as manuals are very disorganized and you'll need to reference multiple sections of multiple manuals to find the right way of doing something. Usually the class ahead of you will provide you some additional resources they created to help themselves out. If you stay engaged with your classmates and instructors and incorporate the study habits you had at your last airline there is no reason you will have any trouble. Although I've heard rumors of a few failures recently with the recalled pilots, the success rate during the last hiring wave in 2019-2020 was extremely high. Airbus is a very easy plane to fly a PC/Type rating in... remember it was designed for 3rd world pilots... They just hired a new director of training so things may get better...maybe.

Awesome. Thanks for the heads up. I’m looking forward to this.

Keys to success:

Understand you won’t be spoon fed everything.
Study in groups.
Make use of the MCDU trainer.
Memorize the flows, standard callouts, checklist responses, profiles, & ECAM script ASAP. Certainly by the time you hit the FTD have them down cold.
Sit in as observer on as many FTD lessons as possible.
Don’t believe everything you hear.
Good luck!

What's the status on CASS/KCM when hired? I'm in an upcoming class and am debating buying a few round trip tickets through my current airline partner on discount (and then moving them around as needed due to no change fees) vs trying to jumpseat to my relatives for Christmas/Thanksgiving.

KCM was within 24 hours. I had issues with CASS my first week. Got it squared away in about a week and a half though. I think normally they try to get all that clerical crap done the first week you're there.

The union recently put out an update on the Facebook page on how to check that your info is correct in the allegiant system that stores the info cass pulls from. Checking that may help avoid these sorts of issues you had for anyone hired now.

How longs the training window to the line? 12 ish weeks?

Yeah, roughly 12 weeks of actual curriculum. You may get a bonus week or two at home depending on sim backups etc.

It's longer than that now. The training department is at complete gridlock.

I guess it was a pretty big tactical error to **** off all the instructors by canceling their vacations. Now all of those pilots with LCA letters and instructor creds are applying to the big boys. They'll be gone soon.

Ooff indeed.

And considering the company staffing plan for December is to have every pilot on property work the 23rd, 24th, 26th, 27th, 30th, and 31st, the motivation for even the senior pilots to stick around is starting to vanish. I’ve held out for a while now, but I think it’s time to start getting those apps updated.

I know at least 10 pilots personally who applied to a legacy airline or updated their apps after seeing the December schedule plan. Senior and junior. AA is giving out interviews like candy, and putting people in class less than a month after interviewing. DL and UA are hiring everyone they can get.

Management better wake up, or we are going to lose 50% of our pilots in the next 6 months. Nobody is going to stay here and take their abuse when they can move up and get treated like a valued professional. This isn't 2008 where nobody had options elsewhere and they could treat us how they wanted to.

Oh and be sure to check your email and comply with the 2 hour University course of the day, off the clock, on your own time, before showing for a trip, or you'll get a "performance issue" (whatever that means), and YOU WILL receive discipline.

So working over Christmas put them over the edge…..but $100,000’s if not millions in lost potential income & retirement compared to a legacy career wasn’t enough?. If you’re in your 30’s or 40’s should be a pretty easy decision.

But... But... You're at home every night!

You new here or something?

Exactly.