Originally Posted by tailendcharlie (Post 3549160)

Legacy pilots are not going to be familiar with terms like “stacking” or “unstacking” because from many decades of experience it’s just assumed schedules are built properly according to seniority & that’s that. Ask a United pilot what do they do when a senior pilot is assigned a reserve line while junior pilots are getting all the trips he bid - common occurrence at Allegiant - he’ll look at you like you’re from mars.

Originally Posted by Crockrocket95 (Post 3549178)

Just talking to me allegiant buddy, he said they do that and I was like... ummm... so the contract means nothing?

Originally Posted by tailendcharlie (Post 3549160)

Legacy pilots are not going to be familiar with terms like “stacking” or “unstacking” because from many decades of experience it’s just assumed schedules are built properly according to seniority & that’s that. Ask a United pilot what do they do when a senior pilot is assigned a reserve line while junior pilots are getting all the trips he bid - common occurrence at Allegiant - he’ll look at you like you’re from mars.

Originally Posted by xiovelrahc (Post 3549303)

Yeah I would like more explanation from AR on unstacking and why it’s so important… especially if it’s only gonna help the senior folks.. but I trust the union a hell of a lot more than I trust the company…

Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 3549720)

It’s the must work day issue.

Originally Posted by akulahunter (Post 3550616)

Yes, must-work days would go away with a real PBS. I'm not sure why Nate is caught up on this stacking issue, I guess there's nothing else to complain about. It's not like the company has offered us industry-standard everything (or basically anything). If stacking/unstacking was all that was left, it might be a different story. However, we're still a Grand Canyon apart and there are a dozen things the pilots DO want that the company is refusing to give, so stacking right now is a moot point.

Nate, if you are so concerned why don't you tell everyone here how delta does it? You seem to be an expert. Please enlighten us. I would much rather AR spend his time trying to get my LTD and min day than worrying about your stacking question.

Also, our current CBA doesn't allow unstacking, I'm curious as to why you would want to give that up to the company in this environment.

Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 3546825)

The pay/retirement will absolutely be there. MG knows that is the only way this place grows. the bigger question is whether we get any work rules?

I honestly don't what to believe with the work rules rumors i'm hearing. union sources say that they are only looking for industry standard work rules but then AR has talked about zero percent unstack for the last three years... so is the union looking for industry standard and management is being obtuse (most likely) or is AR digging in his heels on unstack which no airline in the industry has (unlikely imo - can't imagine he would be that naïve)?

from what i'm hearing, management's early offers in January/February were pathetic and laughably out of touch. since Alaska's TA, management has upped the rates/retirement from where they were but it is still less than alaska's. So i believe management will read the room and come to their senses with some realistic rates/retirement but the difference between management and union on work rules might as well be the pacific ocean.

side note: delta's unstack protects top 30% and that is highest in the industry that i've seen.