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Old 09-20-2023, 03:08 PM
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Any chance this is true?

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Any chance this is true?
This rumor has been around for years and comes back all the time. Anything is possible but not sure it is likely.
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This rumor has been around for years and comes back all the time. Anything is possible but not sure it is likely.
That’s unfortunate. Frontier could really use a lifeline and soon
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Pretty misleading title don’t ya think?
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Old 09-21-2023, 07:15 AM
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Any chance this is true?
This time I think it may happen. Both companies need each other to grow. Neither company can retain enough pilots only too break even with attrition.
Other factors are playing out in the background with M&A.
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This time I think it may happen. Both companies need each other to grow. Neither company can retain enough pilots only too break even with attrition.
Other factors are playing out in the background with M&A.
So if you have 2 airlines that can't grow and you put them together now they can grow? With that said I could see mngmt trying anything else first besides just paying similar to the airlines in the industry that don't have attrition problems.
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So if you have 2 airlines that can't grow and you put them together now they can grow? With that said I could see mngmt trying anything else first besides just paying similar to the airlines in the industry that don't have attrition problems.
The reason this topic comes up is that if DOJ won’t even allow JetBlue/Spirit, there’s no way they’ll allow any of the Big 4 to swallow Frontier or Allegiant, leaving each of those two as the obvious dancing partner for the other. Plus fleet commonality and F9’s stated desire to move to day trips like Allegiant.

The Max order complicates the fleet, but it also solves the pilot retention issue. If a deal happens while aircraft are still in short supply, Allegiant could transfer its Max orders to someone else, leaving Allegiant temporarily overstaffed on flight crew. They could then just naturally shrink down to an appropriate staffing level as folks move on. This would buy them more time to maintain staffing until the pilot shortage is over in a few years.

One potential hangup would be the fact that this would truly leave only one ULCC after Spirit vanishes.
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The reason this topic comes up is that if DOJ won’t even allow JetBlue/Spirit, there’s no way they’ll allow any of the Big 4 to swallow Frontier or Allegiant, leaving each of those two as the obvious dancing partner for the other. Plus fleet commonality and F9’s stated desire to move to day trips like Allegiant.

The Max order complicates the fleet, but it also solves the pilot retention issue. If a deal happens while aircraft are still in short supply, Allegiant could transfer its Max orders to someone else, leaving Allegiant temporarily overstaffed on flight crew. They could then just naturally shrink down to an appropriate staffing level as folks move on. This would buy them more time to maintain staffing until the pilot shortage is over in a few years.

One potential hangup would be the fact that this would truly leave only one ULCC after Spirit vanishes.

It’s not up to the DOJ to determine that, it’s the judge.
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Yeah and when I was at F9 everyone was saying United or AA was going to buy F9.
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Yeah and when I was at F9 everyone was saying United or AA was going to buy F9.
Same here lol. Hell I still see the AA rumor here and there.
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