Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 3718485)

Lay it out, what do you propose? Or more accurately, what should the slate running against him propose? How should they differentiate themselves from the current leadership. I dare any of you to lay out a thoughtful proposal.

Originally Posted by Margaritaville (Post 3718472)

That won't happen because Andrew may be a dictator but he's no dummy. If Allegiant went to an independent union it would remove the no compete clause between ALPA and IBT and ALPA themselves would immediately start an organizational card drive. Andrew and his goons may have been able to squash a grassroots effort by a handful of pilots a few years ago but he could never stop the full force of ALPA organizers with their money and influence. Basically IBT is the moat and wall for his little kingdom.

What will actually happen is he will use his used car salesman tactics and fear rhetoric to get just enough pilots to reelect him. Then once he's locked in it will be business as usual with hand back in the cooke jar and back to mini mob boss. You see, Maury himself wants Andrew in that job. The union has so far given him everything he wants whether it was intentional or not.

Or you guys could cut your losses and make changes. This is finally your big chance and you won't get another for 3 years. You've already missed this contract cycle and are currently the rock bottom lowest paid pilots in the industry under his leadership. You deserve better.

Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 3718518)

you might be right about going independent but AR is ****ed that the Airline Division is digging around his fiefdom.

truest thing you said Marg is that Maury wants AR in place! AR is good for management because he is so inept. Management wants to keep AR because they can run circles around him. Look at negotiations, we’ve been going for almost 2.5 years and all we have to show for it are some meaningless TAs on irrelevant sections and TAs on AR’s pet projects: Union Business, Grievance and Arbitration. That’s it in 2.5 years!

not to mention AR hasn’t won an arbitration in years, lost like seven in a row or something absurd. This pilot group has the union leadership that management wants. AR = good for management. Management is not happy with this election, I have that on good authority. They are worried that real change could happen and that new leadership will actually know how to negotiate and leverage attrition and the threat of self help with the NMB.

Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 3718545)

Who can bring this change? And is it just him or the whole board? Initials are fine.

Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 3718567)

anybody can enact this change. AR just doesn’t want to relinquish power.

are you seriously asking “who can bring this change” to hiring a real airline attorney?

my fear is that AR wins and management wins. Make no mistake, AR exactly the type of person Maury wants in charge of this pilot union. AR’s inexperience and hubris allows management to do whatever they want without any fear of self help or other leverage via the NMB/Section 6 negotiations.

AR winning = management winning

Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 3718613)

You are not telling us anything of substance here. He's a bad guy because he wants to be the head of the union? He's decided to go with another attorney that you don't like? I think the real story is you want someone to come in and give us a quick raise and retirement, all the other rules can stay the same. It's likely that you feel this way because none of the rules would ever apply to you because of your seniority.

I see absolutely no issue here at all, we were told a contract with mediation would be every bit of three years. I accept that. 2025 seems likely. If it gets sped up from MWD win that's ok too.

Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 3718622)

what has he done to deserve your undying support?

that’s what is funny here, you say he deserves to be in charge because… we might have to start over with negotiations??

we haven’t gotten anywhere in negotiations? We are at square one still. ZERO TAs since mediation started. We are not even close to getting a contract in 2025 at this point. I’ve always thought a normal cycle of 3-5 years would happen here but now I think it could look even longer.

AR has done nothing to deserve this support.

ANDREW IS A PUPPET FOR MANAGEMENT. he just doesn’t know management is pulling his strings every which way…

Originally Posted by The Chow (Post 3718721)

Has anyone announced on any forum their interest in running for any position? I’d be curious to hear why the current slate should keep their spots. Hopefully, no one goes unopposed

Originally Posted by pipercub (Post 3718769)

This is one of the big problems with unions, people will complain a lot about how things are going. They rarely step up and volunteer even rare to have people step up in a leadership role. It is a very thankless job so if you do not have a passion for it, it is not worth it. I would also say in the middle of Negotiations is probably the worst Time to change leaders.