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tom11011 05-10-2024 05:18 AM

Just a few years ago it would be unthinkable for an airline with a single fleet to consider adding a second fleet type. But today, it seems being a single fleet could put you out of business. Max has issues, but so does Airbus with the PW engines.

Even Southwest will have to consider a second fleet type. If anything, the MAX itself will one day need replaced with a clean sheet design of something.

9easy 05-10-2024 05:00 PM


Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 3800770)
Just a few years ago it would be unthinkable for an airline with a single fleet to consider adding a second fleet type. But today, it seems being a single fleet could put you out of business. Max has issues, but so does Airbus with the PW engines.

Even Southwest will have to consider a second fleet type. If anything, the MAX itself will one day need replaced with a clean sheet design of something.

In this case, there are plenty of old busted 737's available on the used market. Allegiant could have stolen a 737-800 OpSpec (like they allegedly did with the airbus) and been running used 737's for years already. Maury thought he got pandemic pricing, but in actuality he walked into one of the saddest corporate shiitshows in American history.

Margaritaville 05-11-2024 05:48 AM


Originally Posted by 9easy (Post 3801081)
In this case, there are plenty of old busted 737's available on the used market. Allegiant could have stolen a 737-800 OpSpec (like they allegedly did with the airbus) and been running used 737's for years already. Maury thought he got pandemic pricing, but in actuality he walked into one of the saddest corporate shiitshows in American history.

Not allegedly. They literally stole the NWA SOPA/SMAC and changed the names. When I went from the 80 to the bus in 2015 the manuals still had drawings of bowling shoe airplanes on the profiles.

Captainbfv 05-14-2024 01:31 PM


Originally Posted by Margaritaville (Post 3801236)
Not allegedly. They literally stole the NWA SOPA/SMAC and changed the names. When I went from the 80 to the bus in 2015 the manuals still had drawings of bowling shoe airplanes on the profiles.

God.... We're so rachet sometimes LOL!!!!

Margaritaville 05-15-2024 06:19 AM


Originally Posted by Captainbfv (Post 3802414)
God.... We're so rachet sometimes LOL!!!!

Yeah that was supposed to be temporary until it wasn't. That's why the FAA came in circa 2018 and said "WTF fix this now or we're shutting you down". So the result was another "temporary" solution to switch to the factory FCOM and the training by memo and Fihmi videos "It's only 1800 pages I suggest you just read it and do it".

SladeTin 05-15-2024 07:01 AM


Originally Posted by Margaritaville (Post 3802576)
Yeah that was supposed to be temporary until it wasn't. That's why the FAA came in circa 2018 and said "WTF fix this now or we're shutting you down". So the result was another "temporary" solution to switch to the factory FCOM and the training by memo and Fihmi videos "It's only 1800 pages I suggest you just read it and do it".

It was 2017, but yes, I remember the good times of "we're completely changing the way we operate the airplane, but this bulletin should suffice instead of any actual training." Still don't know how they got someone to sign off on that one.

G4er 05-15-2024 07:18 AM


Originally Posted by SladeTin (Post 3802590)
It was 2017, but yes, I remember the good times of "we're completely changing the way we operate the airplane, but this bulletin should suffice instead of any actual training." Still don't know how they got someone to sign off on that one.

And the egotistical training department who berated everyone who didn’t know or knew more than them. LS buttons on takeoff, sham on you. Point out that it is in the technic manual. Raise their voice berate you some more. Etc.
Glad we have someone in there now that changed that culture.

SladeTin 05-15-2024 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by G4er (Post 3802597)
And the egotistical training department who berated everyone who didn’t know or knew more than them. LS buttons on takeoff, sham on you. Point out that it is in the technic manual. Raise their voice berate you some more. Etc.
Glad we have someone in there now that changed that culture.

Thankfully the training department culture has changed drastically. Haven’t had a “let me show you how much more I know than you” event in quite a while.

Beech Dude 05-16-2024 05:46 AM

If yall have a poor Q2, is there an exit plan on the 737 bleeding? Just curious.

Bitcoin 05-16-2024 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by Beech Dude (Post 3802886)
If yall have a poor Q2, is there an exit plan on the 737 bleeding? Just curious.

Most of the year is forcasted to continute to have headwinds from the delivery delays, not just Q2. They haven't mentioned an alternate plan, which is fair considering the odds are unlikely of not starting the 2 per month delivery cadence this year. There isn't a good alternative given airbus's 8,000+ order backlog for new while the used bus market has dried up and the max orders were locked in at a very heavy discount below retail. The plan is for a large increase in aircraft utilization in 2025, similar to 2018 vs 2019, along with a modest 2025 total fleet count growth vs 2024 which will be flat (retiring a few of the old buses as new max's come online). I'd expect margins to be back towards the top of the industry by early to mid 2025, similar to the last couple decades, which includes the lost decade.


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