Originally Posted by captnmajic (Post 881915)

Any of this reminiscent of a blast from the past know as ValuJet? At the current rate of incidents I give them 12-18 months before they have a fatal accident that results in the deaths of many people. Hopefully the FAA is watching and will take necessary steps to break the accident chain.

Originally Posted by Swedish Blender (Post 881968)

Valujet didn't crash due to maintenance FWIW. Not really apples to apples for such a statement.

Should someone say your airline will have a fatal crash in the next 12-18 months?

Originally Posted by Swedish Blender (Post 881968)

Valujet didn't crash due to maintenance FWIW. Not really apples to apples for such a statement.

Should someone say your airline will have a fatal crash in the next 12-18 months?

Originally Posted by captnmajic (Post 881915)

Any of this reminiscent of a blast from the past know as ValuJet? At the current rate of incidents I give them 12-18 months before they have a fatal accident that results in the deaths of many people. Hopefully the FAA is watching and will take necessary steps to break the accident chain.

Originally Posted by Shiek Yiboudi (Post 882076)

Like MD80driver said, it was an unfortunate event that happened to a great guy. It's not like he landed on taxiway at one of the busiest airports in the world.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 882093)

Since you brought it up, would you care to explain what happened to the 767 that landed on taxiway M in ATL? Care to explain what the Feds figured out reproducing the event? Care to talk about where those pilots are now? :rolleyes:

talk about comparing apples and oranges.

Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 881990)

.....Back on topic, didn't Allegiant damn near kill 135 people a week ago rotating off the end of a 6500' runway with a calculated TO distance of something like 6525'?

Originally Posted by BeenThere (Post 882146)

ETOPS on an MD80? What for?

Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 881990)

Agreed, what was the company that loaded the cargo, Sabre Tech? IIRC they were found at fault. The accident just put ValueJet under the microscope and then things began to surface.

Back on topic, didn't Allegiant damn near kill 135 people a week ago rotating off the end of a 6500' runway with a calculated TO distance of something like 6525'?

Originally Posted by captnmajic (Post 882111)

Yep, that's what I'm talking about. Only a matter of time before something real ugly happens.

Originally Posted by captnmajic (Post 882111)

Yep, that's what I'm talking about. Only a matter of time before something real ugly happens.

Originally Posted by cheers1977 (Post 882165)

The calculated TO distance wasn't 6525' for the record....

Originally Posted by BigTime (Post 882315)

Thanks for the kudos, Jonso, but it sounds like this latest incident was a stupid mistake by the crew that caused a tailpipe fire. Of course this is just rumor and hearsay, but sounds like it wasn't nearly as bad as the media made it sound.

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 882268)

It really is sad how people are dogging on Allegiant for a fire that could happen to any of us. Not to mention they got the fire put out, and NO ONE was hurt or killed. I say KUDOS to the crew for keeping the situation under control.

In regards to the over run incident with the charter flight, how can anyone blame that on the crew? Do we even know what numbers they got from the company? How do we know they weren't inaccurate? It's extremely possible that the people who loaded the aircraft gave the crew inaccurate information that lead them to believe they were LIGHTER then they actually were.

I think a lot of pilots forget how much we put our lives in the hands of other people everyday. Mechanics, rampers, gate agents, dispatchers, load control, air traffic contol, and the list goes on folks. Rather then try to crucify the pilots, lets praise them for breaking the chain and preventing a tragedy. I for one am much happier to see that no one was hurt or killed, rather then horrific alternative.

Originally Posted by Big3win (Post 882508)

Just wait until you hear the facts about the charter incident.................................... That is why they are catching so much grief! It will floor you.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 882093)

Since you brought it up, would you care to explain what happened to the 767 that landed on taxiway M in ATL? Care to explain what the Feds figured out reproducing the event? Care to talk about where those pilots are now? :rolleyes:

talk about comparing apples and oranges.

Originally Posted by MD80driver2day (Post 882520)

Yes it will.... But they're not any different than the NWA crew that overflew MSP or the crew that landed at the wrong airport in SD or the many other major airline crews that have landed on a taxiway.

Many of you run with these Allegiant incidents because it's Allegiant and for no other reason.

I'm sure this crew will see the same fate as those other crews.

Originally Posted by MD80driver2day (Post 882520)

Yes it will.... But they're not any different than the NWA crew that overflew MSP or the crew that landed at the wrong airport in SD or the many other major airline crews that have landed on a taxiway.

Many of you run with these Allegiant incidents because it's Allegiant and for no other reason.

I'm sure this crew will see the same fate as those other crews.

Originally Posted by SilkBra (Post 882258)

Which darling cargo airline destroyed an MD11 a few months back? Oh right, that was Fedex.

Which web-board darling destroyed a 747 the other month? Oh right, that was UPS.

Originally Posted by Swedish Blender (Post 882562)

Destroyed a MD11 and 747. How about lost 2 crew members in each accident.

I don't think you'll find a UPS or FedEx pilot jealous of your pay or upgrade.
Way to throw those accidents in to try and make yourself feel better. Class act.

Originally Posted by captnmajic (Post 881915)

Any of this reminiscent of a blast from the past know as ValuJet? At the current rate of incidents I give them 12-18 months before they have a fatal accident that results in the deaths of many people. Hopefully the FAA is watching and will take necessary steps to break the accident chain.

Originally Posted by Stratosphere (Post 882541)

Actually the taxiway landings the crews for both airlines in the recent 2 that I can remember did not lose their jobs just went back for additional training if I remember it correctly. Me personally I find a taxiway landing to be a more dangerous situation than a wrong airport landing but I am not the judge or jury on these matters. A tailpipe torch can and has happened before to a lot of airlines. Usually on the DC-9 types it is usually mechanics that do it because they usually do not use checklists and start engines from memory and hold the start switch get it to max motoring and throw the fuel lever and remember Oh I need ignition and reach up and POW..But I have seen pilots do it too although not very often. I think you guys should cut the G4 guys some slack you don't have to look far to see mistakes in your own house.

Originally Posted by Stratosphere (Post 882565)

I am not a pilot (well at least commercial) But will go out on a limb and say he got defensive that Allegient was being attacked without the facts and that all airlines have accidents and incidents. I don't think it was personal. I could always be wrong though.

Originally Posted by SilkBra (Post 882647)

There you go.

Originally Posted by Big3win (Post 882552)

I don't care if it is Allegiant or Acme Air. I stated wait until you hear the facts. Some mistakes are intentional others are not.

Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 882738)

I think the point people are trying to make about Allegiant is, for a company that has limited flight schedules/hours flown, there seems to be a rash of incidents/bad press lately. Is it all bad luck or is there something deeper?

And for those of you who threw other companies/airman who have errored/perished under the bus as a way of propping yourselve's up (for example ... "well so and so crashed a perfectly good jet last month"), shame on you. That is the lowest of lows. You know what they say, Karma is a itch.

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 882268)

It really is sad how people are dogging on Allegiant for a fire that could happen to any of us. Not to mention they got the fire put out, and NO ONE was hurt or killed. I say KUDOS to the crew for keeping the situation under control.

In regards to the over run incident with the charter flight, how can anyone blame that on the crew? Do we even know what numbers they got from the company? How do we know they weren't inaccurate? It's extremely possible that the people who loaded the aircraft gave the crew inaccurate information that lead them to believe they were LIGHTER then they actually were.

I think a lot of pilots forget how much we put our lives in the hands of other people everyday. Mechanics, rampers, gate agents, dispatchers, load control, air traffic contol, and the list goes on folks. Rather then try to crucify the pilots, lets praise them for breaking the chain and preventing a tragedy. I for one am much happier to see that no one was hurt or killed, rather then horrific alternative.