Bid run.
 

It seems like there's always a bunch of people asking about DFW here. The latest bid run is out and DFW 737 went a lot more junior than it ever had. Without looking maybe 15 months on property.

DCA 737 went like new hire junior.

Junior CA 10630 ish

DFW 737 went 14130's. There were a lot of bus vacancies here as well, but they are going senior in the 'great migration.' Glad to see folks are getting what they want... just wish they weren't senior. [emoji6]


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Just out of curiosity, on average, how often does AA run Bids?

I ask because it is often a topic of discussion at FDX, especially now as we know they will be running one soon. FDX prefers massive bids, normally once a year with long training letters. We do have an occassional smaller clean up bids from time to time.

Thanks!

We have a bid every month.

Every month for now. Changed with our JCBA to a minimum of 3-4 a year but that's not implemented yet.

The company can run quarterly bids if they choose too. My guess is with lots of right-sizing and retirements it works out in both the company's and the pilot's benefit to run monthly bids.

PHX 76T I went super junior, but that's all 757 out there, yes? Does that fleet do anything other than Hawaii?

What's super jr? Sub 12k? Not in class yet, so don't have access.

13,56x.....

Thanks for the info.

I've had monthly and quarterly bids at previous airlines, does work nicely.

Wish we would change to at least quarterly. As mentioned, does make it easier to bid and plan life events.

They might still do a CUN turn, LAX turns, DCA and maybe trips to PHL. Best to look at a bid package for PHX and see what it does now.

My laziness is boundless. Thanks.

You're amongst peers.

Phx migration
 

Can anyone indicate where we are in the migration... Is it nearly complete or does it still have a good ways to go? And can I assume most migrating pilots are 320 pilots?

I'm not entirely sure how far along they are in PHX, someone who is based there could give you a better answer. I will say that I was shocked to see any PHX go as junior as it did, let alone a group 3 airplane. Maybe the downsizing of PHX will be accomplished by guys that actually preferred to be in another base and it's not going to be as senior as I imagined.

The problem is that we lost calendar day guarantee in our last contract. Those three day trips used to pay over 15 hours, now only 11 or 12. The plane went from being very senior to junior. Unfortunately it will be years until we get back in our contract those things that were industry standard or leading and simply given away.

After this bid, including withholds, they are about 3/4 of the way done with the reduction. Everyone in PHX that wanted out was able to on this bid. Many PHX FOs were withheld, so it looks like they are slowing down the shrinkage. For March the junior FO held a line, so they may have let pilots out faster than the flying shifted.

Two years ago it was the other way around. 737 DFW more junior by far. It's nearly impossible to predict.

Does anybody have a good idea of what the over/under is with regard to Pay-No-Train?

IOW, with how many months to go until retirement would it be safe to bid a higher-paying seat, but not be trained?

The JCBA does not give even a ballpark figure; whereas the old LUS contract stated that a pilot within six months of retirement may or may not be trained at the company's discretion.

TIA for any info.

Didn't it used to be 6 months at LUS? AA probably has some crazy formula/flow chart to figure it out.

At LAA it's always been 12-18 months before retirement they can and will withhold you.

Thanks for the replies, MA and 76.

However, I do know of a colleague with an April retirement date who bid a new position effective last October, and was made to train.

I guess it just depends on how heavy the load is at the TC's in DFW and CLT in any given month.

I know a guy that was displaced off the 80 last March and turned 65 last December. They sent him to training (same pay group) only to fly the line for 7 months.

At the rate pilots are leaving PHX when do you think they will start letting FO's in? Maybe Nov/Dec?

Someone told me they're displacing people out of there next month finally but I haven't seen that written anywhere.

They are displacing CA's on the AB from there. They had lots of FO's want to leave but not CA's. In fact they withheld FO's because too many were leaving too soon!
I'm hoping I can get into PHX by EOY.

Nice to see PHX not go senior.

It's still senior. I can't even hold wknds off on reserve as a 2013 hire.

It's our bs PBS system. Charlotte is the same way. Coverage days are killing us.

All PHX FOs that wanted LAX or DFW have had a chance to leave. Many withheld on the May bid though. Aug forecast has the same number as June. I think there will be more reductions after summer to reach their final numbers. There are still pilots on property that haven't had a chance at PHX yet. They may have a shot by the end of the year. PHX 76T went pretty junior on the May bid. The junior guy is only a few months senior to the junior A-320 guy.

What year is the junior guy on the 76T?

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I think he's May 2014 hire. Bottom A320 in PHX i believe is July 2014.

Better than commuting 😉