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Sliceback 06-01-2017 07:46 AM

Base availability/line holder status - 1yr/2y
 
BOS - 1 yr - reserve 2 yr - reserve
CLT - 1 yr - reserve 2 yr - reserve
UDC(320 DCA) - 1 yr - line holder
DCA (737) - 1 yr - reserve 2 yr - line holder
DFW - 1 yr - unavailable. 2 yr - reserve
LGA - 1 yr - line holder
LAX - 1 yr line holder
MIA - 1 yr - line holder.
ORD - 1 yr - unavaialbe(misses by approx 100 numbers) 2 yr - reserve (misses line holder by approx 100 numbers)
PHL - 1 yr - line holder
PHX - 2 yr - unavailable

Snapshot of June. Line holder might be *the* junior line holder. Zero guarantee of being a line holder if guys ahead, who bid reserve, decide to bid a line instead of rsv.

LAX and LGA 320 have the most line holders at at the one year mark.

Planned retirements in the last two years was 697(+/-)(2014 projection). Next two years is 1075 (2014 data). So advancement might come quicker(375 numbers = just under 12 months?) depending upon how guys on property shift to different bid statuses/bases.

Name User 06-01-2017 11:33 AM

Delta.

1 year...717/MD88 CA reserve / 2-year landholder

I'm just speechless. We already pay management the most, can't we just poach DL's management?

ORDinary 06-01-2017 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by Sliceback (Post 2372475)
BOS - 1 yr - reserve 2 yr - reserve
CLT - 1 yr - reserve 2 yr - reserve
UDC(320 DCA) - 1 yr - line holder
DCA (737) - 1 yr - reserve 2 yr - line holder
DFW - 1 yr - unavailable. 2 yr - reserve
LGA - 1 yr - line holder
LAX - 1 yr line holder
MIA - 1 yr - line holder.
ORD - 1 yr - unavaialbe(misses by approx 100 numbers) 2 yr - reserve (misses line holder by approx 100 numbers)
PHL - 1 yr - line holder
PHX - 2 yr - unavailable

Snapshot of June. Line holder might be *the* junior line holder. Zero guarantee of being a line holder if guys ahead, who bid reserve, decide to bid a line instead of rsv.

LAX and LGA 320 have the most line holders at at the one year mark.

Planned retirements in the last two years was 697(+/-)(2014 projection). Next two years is 1075 (2014 data). So advancement might come quicker(375 numbers = just under 12 months?) depending upon how guys on property shift to different bid statuses/bases.

Thank you for this info.

SFly 06-02-2017 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by Name User (Post 2372629)
Delta.

1 year...717/MD88 CA reserve / 2-year landholder

I'm just speechless. We already pay management the most, can't we just poach DL's management?

Delta started a big hiring surge three + years prior to American. And I think their contract pays premium differently than American's. So it's difficult to make a direct comparison. There may be Delta pilots giving up CA slots to bid FO lines that pay more with less work. Maybe in 4 years with over 2000 retirements and a new contract the landscape at AA will look different. Or, the union and work force will vote for 10 more years of the same.

mainlineAF 06-02-2017 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by SFly (Post 2373113)
Delta started a big hiring surge three + years prior to American. And I think their contract pays premium differently than American's. So it's difficult to make a direct comparison. There may be Delta pilots giving up CA slots to bid FO lines that pay more with less work. Maybe in 4 years with over 2000 retirements and a new contract the landscape at AA will look different. Or, the union and work force will vote for 10 more years of the same.



DL hired a handful in 2010. Airways started hiring in 11. AA started fall 13 and DL started hiring agin in late 13/early 14. So they actually started hiring after AA.

Al Czervik 06-02-2017 11:28 AM


Originally Posted by mainlineAF (Post 2373133)
DL hired a handful in 2010. Airways started hiring in 11. AA started fall 13 and DL started hiring agin in late 13/early 14. So they actually started hiring after AA.

True but delta has been hiring in larger numbers. We have just started the large continuous hiring.

Pilot X 06-02-2017 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by mainlineAF (Post 2373133)
DL hired a handful in 2010. Airways started hiring in 11. AA started fall 13 and DL started hiring agin in late 13/early 14. So they actually started hiring after AA.

Airways hired in 2007 and 2008 also

mainlineAF 06-02-2017 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by Pilot X (Post 2373248)
Airways hired in 2007 and 2008 also



Not very many. Maybe 100 guys from then are still here.

Name User 06-05-2017 08:50 AM

If we hired and grew like DL we'd have 17,000 pilots on our list.

PRS Guitars 06-05-2017 10:40 AM


Originally Posted by Name User (Post 2374562)
If we hired and grew like DL we'd have 17,000 pilots on our list.

Yes,

I was Jan 14 and am approaching 2k below me. Buddy of mine at DAL was a late 2014 with well over 3k below him.

Part of that is furlough returnees at AA, part that they were hiring a lot more.


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