JS listing improvement
 

Big fix to the JS system happened this week. You now default to a first class listing for the cabin. Thanks to whomever got this done! There are still some improvements needed, but this is movement in the right direction.

That is nice, but I think j/s weight protection would have been better. Let's hope APA.... (nevermind)

Arado,

given that you are a constant critic of all things APA, have you ever thought of volunteering your services to try and make things better?

Your constant criticisms make great sound bites but you are starting to sound like the very C&R members you love to criticize that constantly mouth off but do nothing to make things better.

I am no big fan of APA but when it comes to trying to make things better, I volunteer. You should, too. We could definitely use your expertise.

A ton of work went in to improving this disaster of a j/s system the company just flatly implemented while ignoring the desires of the committee, and I am pleased with the progress. At the very least it's a couple of steps in the right direction.

Is TW still waving his paper around?

He is currently brokering a deal to bring back seniority for the jumpseat. All it’s going to cost is our 16% DC.

73, thanks for your work. It’s apprecited.

Thanks Al glad to help out.

I thought he was trading the 16% for his A Fund.

If by “paper,” you mean “wank” the answer is probably yes.

What is the point of volunteering if we as AA pilots cannot get past APA's inner circle?

I *hate* hearing this bs "we never had the j/s protection at AA". We (LAA + LUS including LAWA) could have benefited from this, would it not have been because of TW*. His point of view forced upon his group shows what's wrong with APA. It reminds me of George Orwell's 1984 political party.

Unfortunately, I don't have the patience for this attitude. Those people at APA are just like the political elite in DC. The best decision I have made was to stay off C&R and to occasionally visit this site and contribute. I do welcome your efforts, work and inputs, but I'd also remind people why we have issues here at AA. It's not only management that's to blame.

Just another example of APA's never had it here, so it can't be good attitude is the last leg trip swap of a sequence. Didn't cost the company anything, APA didn't see the point so it got axed. Great!

(Note: TW is not a commuter. He lives in DFW. If he needs to go somewhere he gets A1 passes (for life). Remember this.

I *hate* hearing this bs "we never had the j/s protection at AA". We (LAA + LUS including LAWA) could have benefited from this, would it not have been because of TW*. His point of view forced upon his group shows what's wrong with APA. It reminds me of George Orwell's 1984 political party.

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(Note: TW is not a commuter. He lives in DFW. If he needs to go somewhere he gets A1 passes (for life). Remember this.

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Lots of things to remember -

1. TW took office after the contracts were agreed to. His first actions regarding the contract took place during the JCBA talks. So he's not to blame for the lack of inclusion of the j/s weight protection.

2. TW commutes frequently. He has at least two houses.

3. He doesn't get A1 passes for life.

You are either misinformed or a liar!

He PERSONALLY is to blame for the loss of the j/s protection. Talk to the LUS/LAWA members that were there!

You are FAKE news!

Do you have proof of that? If so put it up. I’d love to see it.
(Not that I am personally aware of any of these claims of personal responsibility or not, but I figure if one is going to make the claim as fact, then support the argument with fact)

When and where was the meeting where TW gave up the j/s protection? Which we didn’t have so the company was negotiating to allow it.

How did he have the ability to unilaterally reject the company’s offer? What did the company want in return?

When TW has A1 why does he ask the gate agent to put him in the j/s if there is a primary listed?

If he has ever done that he should be banned from any APA position for life.

Talk to BC (east) who was on the j/s committee at the time, I can't remember the name of the West rep.

When LUS and LAA come together to discuss the j/s issue, it was suggested to adapt the LUS j/s reservation system as a method that's fair to all pilots. All LAA were initially on board until TW had his hissy fit ("APA bylaws state that everything should be done by seniority"). There was so much arguing (AND resistance by TW) without any result that the company stepped in and stated to keep the LUS j/s but WITHOUT the j/s weight protection.

This is what happened, I got it from two independent sources (E and W) that were there. If you wanna drink Slice's coolaid and keep worshiping an individual that mainly looks out for himself, go ahead.

BTW It *really* breaks my heart reading about someone's problem having to commute between two homes. Who's got spare tissues...?

You know I had the same thought. Can someone shed some light what travel privileges the APA reps get?

I don’t think I have ever heard anything good about TW. The fact that a person like that gets elected demonstrates how bad our union is.

Our union or our membership?

I'm not a fan of TW's but you're telling a story that the room was 21-1, or 15-1, and he spoke up and suddenly his position is the majority? He convinced a majority of 15 or 21 pilots that they were wrong and he was right? Maybe that's why the DFW base, many who actually know him, vote for him? Because he doesn't get run over by the majority if his position has merit and he convinces them to rethink their position?

Any facts? Date? Flight? Or just unsubstantiated rumors?

The only public instance of BOD reps using questionable ethics on the j/s that I've seen was the PHL rep who used his union pass privileges to displace a guy on a D2.

If you're anything other than A1, and know your travel date and time beforehand, you can list yourself ASAP and your Ax pass becomes positive space if there's seat 'inventory' available. With a couple of days notice there's always seat inventory available. Training, with up to several weeks notice? Guaranteed PS seat. No need to Jumpseat.

There was a known story of Glorious Senior Captain TW A12'ing to one of his many residences (not a known fact, just from this thread) and the Primary, who had reserved the Jumpseat 7 days out per protocol, asked Glorious Senior Captain TW as he approached the gate, "You're not going to steal my Jumpseat from me are you?" And Glorious Senior Captain TW stated smugly, "Yep."

I believe the story was on C&R. You're familiar with C&R, aren't you Slice?

Has happened to third listers. I was also on a Jumpseat of a bod member who defended him on many thins but explained that he “enjoys doing it, it’s his thing.”

Well that's a story I've forgotten.

And if "it's his thing" guys should publicize it everytime it happens.

I think with enough lead time A12's are PS.

Line up some other candidates and run against him. DFW guys have supported him in the past. You might need proof, if this is one of the issues guys use to unseat him, to undermine his current support.

Slice,

It really happened.

We on the j/s committee are very familiar with it.

And it was 100% dead wrong. Anybody who is anything other than an A1 is not truly 100% positive space.

More ammunition for anyone who runs against him - this is your leadership.

When will they fix then canceling issue?

They did a workaround that isn't good IMO. When the primary cancels, the alternate becomes the primary, and is notified via text or email...but has to re check in. So they lose their place in line in the non-rev queue. No big deal on a full flight where you'll be in he cockpit anyway, but on a flight with open seats, could cost you a first class seat, or put you into a middle seat.

Yeah they need to fix that.

Can a regional guy jumpseat (in a cabin seat) on an international flight yet?

I *thought* you could always do that.

Back in the day, American had D6Us and D6Ls. D6Us were unlimited. D6Ls were limited to the physical number of jumpseats installed on the plane, regardless of the load. The list was down to just a few carriers last I heard and I don't know if it ever fully went away or not.

The funny thing was, if the jumpseat was taken by a D6U and there was a D6L waiting, the D6L would be left behind.

All airlines are D6UJ “unlimited” now... we take as many pilots as their are open cabin seats, domestically speaking. International, we still don’t have all airlines on board yet... so if you’re not on the international list we can’t take you. They have promised to fix it but it fell into one of those non-urgent back burner type deals. We haven’t stopped pressuring them to do it.

Bringing this thread back regarding jumpseaters in first class. I’m a frequent jumpseater on AA and have enjoyed several first class seats since D6 jumpseaters we’re now allowed to upgrade. But last week I had a gate agent assign me a first class seat. Thirty minutes later when boarding began, an error came up. The same agent said I wasn’t allowed to sit in first and handed me a coach seat. I politely asked about the new policy and he said that D6’s have never been allowed in first. Both agents agreed. I thought maybe this was a rogue agent, but now I’m on my third AA flight where I see empty seats up front. Maybe it was booked full and someone no showed or has the policy changed to not allow D6 up front again? Appreciate the ride as always, and enjoying a whole row to myself, but was just curious.


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The first time I ever rode on AA (offline) was in 2006. I flew out of JAX, which was run by Eagle (Executive). Coach filled up, but there were 3 or 4 First Class seats available. The agent said she couldn't put me on because I was a jumpseater. I asked, "So the plane has seats, but I can't get on?" She said she couldn't put me in First (AA was still charging for First at the time). She went down to close out the flight and then came back up top in a huff and told me to come down. The Captain insisted that I be boarded. The agent was not happy about it.

Wow, I Jump seated on UAL, ORD - NRT, agent put me in BIZ, I felt guilty because I didn’t have a STARBUCKS card to give him.

On my flights if there is an open first class seat, any D6 will be in it. It is captains discretion to move them up and we on the j/s committee have constantly reminded the pilots of this fact. The problem is that 1) many times D6s don’t come up to introduce themselves if they already have a seat, 2) many captains don’t check the standby list so they don’t even realize they have a D6 on board, and 3) even if they do realize they’re on board, they can’t be bothered and /or don’t want to engage with the #1 FA. Sad.

Agents can absolutely issue a first class seat to a D6 if that’s the last seat left. But some agents don’t realize this.

Sorry this happened to you.

My apologies to my peers at other airlines jumpseating on AA. Culture continues to be a problem here and this is one of the issues that really ****es me off. I am embarrassed by the actions of my coworkers sometimes. AA73 is right on.

Dealing with the flight attendant can be a real pain in the ass. I asked nicely if we had a seat in first for a jumpseater(I new we did but was trying to not ruffle feathers). The reply was “if you come back here and serve him” and “it’s not fair just because your the Captain we have to do it. Why don’t you put other airline FAs up front”. My reply after initial shock. “Is it that hard to open a can of soda”? And “If the other airline Flight Attendant had the courtesy of saying hello to the Captain then I would be more than happy to sit them in First”. Needless to say that crew 2 of the 3 really sticks in my craw.

This is what you have to deal with here at AA. The culture sucks. Over many tough years the attitudes of coworkers has evolved in to a monster I don’t give a crap attitude. I will not give up trying to better this career and make it a pleasure for those who work with me. Some days it is a challenge.

UFB, to have a trip with a #1 with that sort of unhappy attitude. Must have been a fun sequence.