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jcountry 02-17-2018 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 2530782)
“Delta has it?”

Well, LETS GET RID OF IT!!!!!

That idea with profit sharing worked pretty well APA!

Yep.

And let’s strip out each and every benefit in both west and east contracts.... because we have always done it that way....

It’s also cute to see that they try and take credit for our profit sharing. That was 100% mgmt.

Arado 234 02-17-2018 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by jcountry (Post 2530734)
Well, from what I understand, they passed a hybrid system (which will result in only very Senior folks being able to commute predictably) and plan to implement it when no one is paying attention. I’m still amazed that our own union does this sort of thing to us.

No vote by the membership-because why bother? APA couldn’t possibly care less what membership thinks.

AA73, can you confirm this?

Another thought... What about contacting senior AA management directly telling them that the new system would be detrimental to almost all commuters (aka crew reliability) and also that we cannot rely on our own union to protect our own interests.

Out West 02-17-2018 12:40 PM

I don’t understand this at all, but being able to commute and not relocate is maybe the #1 draw to this industry for me and I assume many others? Lots of places pay well - but require moving to some place like (insert any airline hub here.) Uh, no thanks.

This doesn’t sound good for American.

Al Czervik 02-17-2018 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by Out West (Post 2530987)
I don’t understand this at all, but being able to commute and not relocate is maybe the #1 draw to this industry for me and I assume many others? Lots of places pay well - but require moving to some place like (insert any airline hub here.) Uh, no thanks.

This doesn’t sound good for American.

No. And the DFW Guy that wants it changed to seniority is telling everyone “no, it’s not changing. Stop making waves it may get debated if you do.” That’s some highly suspect repartee, dude!

Kebert Xela 02-17-2018 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 2530648)
Like peace of mind? Like booking a reserved seat on your commute?

Send your soundoffs if you like being able to depend on your commute. The brain trust is trying to change things so the senior non commuter boneheads who can’t make a simple phone call can bump you off a commute. Don’t let them change this huge QOL.

APA links: SOUNDOFF


I’m a new hire and I honestly don’t fully understand what this means. I’m a commuter; so if I book my commute to get to work and someone senior to me wants to travel D2 for a vacation, they can bump me due to seniority alone?

Again I’m just trying to fully grasp what this means... thanks

aa73 02-17-2018 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by Arado 234 (Post 2530950)
AA73, can you confirm this?

Another thought... What about contacting senior AA management directly telling them that the new system would be detrimental to almost all commuters (aka crew reliability) and also that we cannot rely on our own union to protect our own interests.

I’m stepping down from the committee so no longer in the loop on what goes on... However, nothing surprises me anymore. Send those soundoffs.

Sunfish FAIP 02-17-2018 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by Kebert Xela (Post 2530997)
I’m a new hire and I honestly don’t fully understand what this means. I’m a commuter; so if I book my commute to get to work and someone senior to me wants to travel D2 for a vacation, they can bump me due to seniority alone?

Again I’m just trying to fully grasp what this means... thanks

Hey man that's right....they won't give a damn that you're having to go to work and earn a living to feed the family. If they want to go somewhere to play golf or circle jerk their drinking buddy then they would take priority over you for the jumpseat. The talk in the street is that they would get the upper hand up until 5 days prior to departure.

As of right now, 8 days prior to dep at 2000 CST, the jumpseat(s) become available first come first serve.

Mover 02-17-2018 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by Sunfish FAIP (Post 2531018)
Hey man that's right....they won't give a damn that you're having to go to work and earn a living to feed the family. If they want to go somewhere to play golf or circle jerk their drinking buddy then they would take priority over you for the jumpseat. The talk in the street is that they would get the upper hand up until 5 days prior to departure.

As of right now, 8 days prior to dep at 2000 CST, the jumpseat(s) become available first come first serve.

I wish this were hyperbole but it's nearly verbatim what SEVERAL senior 777 CAs have said - you know, the same guys who can't figure out their jitterbug phones and are enjoying 5 extra years of seniority on the backs of the lost decade.

jcountry 02-17-2018 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by Kebert Xela (Post 2530997)
I’m a new hire and I honestly don’t fully understand what this means. I’m a commuter; so if I book my commute to get to work and someone senior to me wants to travel D2 for a vacation, they can bump me due to seniority alone?

Again I’m just trying to fully grasp what this means... thanks

Realistically, depends on where you commute from.

Poor folks from PIT will really, really get hosed. As if that commute isn’t bad enough already, only the top tier of really senior folks will be able to do it reliably

jcountry 02-17-2018 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 2530990)
No. And the DFW Guy that wants it changed to seniority is telling everyone “no, it’s not changing. Stop making waves it may get debated if you do.” That’s some highly suspect repartee, dude!

Seems VERY suspect-considering the source.

He was the biggest chest thumper ever for a 100% seniority only system.....

And now he doesn’t want to make waves with debate?

Right.


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