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bigscrillywilli 02-18-2018 08:36 AM

Time to pull the plug on AAPA was the first year of $6B in profits and endless IT/Programming BS excuses. What did they make the last 3 years? $15B’ish? Just think of the money that cost all of us and AAPA goes to the media to b#*%h that our PS lags behind our peers!

jcountry 02-18-2018 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 2531368)
It will take a total cleanse of the old guys. They are disfumctional and not big picture people. They’ve been in the APA bubble too long. Time will fix this. We have some really great pilots getting involved now.

Absolutely!

As ****ed as I am about the turds running stuff now, I am excited about the really great folks who should get elected soon.

jcountry 02-18-2018 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 2531371)
I agree that the company will not change the IVR. It cost money and more importantly they know it gets pilots to work. The big point here is the union going in directions the membership doesn’t want and is detrimental to the QOL of the members. TW has stated this is not being pushed or even debated. I think he’s lying.

He is.

I personally was told about the hybrid system a while back by a director of flight.

He didn’t state it as a “maybe” or a “possibility.” He said once Sabre could be programmed for the hybrid system it would be done.

The way he put it, the union had already done it and the company would implement when the time was right.

Arado 234 02-18-2018 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by jcountry (Post 2531610)
He is.

I personally was told about the hybrid system a while back by a director of flight.

He didn’t state it as a “maybe” or a “possibility.” He said once Sabre could be programmed for the hybrid system it would be done.

The way he put it, the union had already done it and the company would implement when the time was right.

So... Any way to find out how much money APA or AA spent on this?

Time to call some reps? Can we get a statement from TW in writing that he is not pursuing this?

jcountry 02-18-2018 10:51 AM


Originally Posted by Arado 234 (Post 2531636)
So... Any way to find out how much money APA or AA spent on this?

Time to call some reps? Can we get a statement from TW in writing that he is not pursuing this?

Read his statement more carefully. See exactly how he phrased it. Technically, it might not be a lie, but it is very misleading.

This all goes back to the other rumor I heard-not from the same person, but from a person who was actually in these meetings.... That guy told me that the hybrid system was passed and tabled-for implementation later.

This guy used exactly the same phrase about Sabre programming.

This kind of shady ass stuff is how our union operates. Just look at how the latest agreement on min day and LOS was negotiated .... I think DC had the board vote him full authority to negotiate by himself-with no input or approval from the negotiation committee.

I should add that this is all second hand info-and I think TW is being very misleading, based on the stuff I have heard. I could be wrong, but it sure is interesting that I heard the same exact story from these two guys-who don’t know each other, or travel in the same circles.

aa73 02-18-2018 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by Arado 234 (Post 2531360)
aa73, I am probably one of the most negative people out here and we probably didn't agree a lot, but I want to thank you for your time and dedication.

You actually deserve the right to complain because you tried to do something about issues here at AA/APA.

Thanks, to you and R57 for the comments. Trying to keep my glass half full!

viking767 02-19-2018 11:20 AM

I heard the jumpseat was going to be available to commuters only.
No more cockpit jumpseat unless you are going to or from work.

ipdanno 02-19-2018 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by mainlineAF (Post 2531110)
Well to be fair i think UA and SWA jumpseat’s are straight seniority....

SWA jumpseat is FCFS, starting at 1 hour prior, at the gate. After you have non-rev listed. WN priority over OAL, natch'.

Saabs 02-19-2018 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by viking767 (Post 2532258)
I heard the jumpseat was going to be available to commuters only.
No more cockpit jumpseat unless you are going to or from work.

Haha that cracked me up

What the heck does it even mean when people say it’s not a commuters seat? I don’t get what they are trying to say. When I commuted I used it. When I go on vacation I use it.

TransWorld 02-19-2018 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by Saabs (Post 2532458)
Haha that cracked me up

What the heck does it even mean when people say it’s not a commuters seat? I don’t get what they are trying to say. When I commuted I used it. When I go on vacation I use it.

I am commuting to my vacation destination!


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