International and Hawaii flying
 

As a new hire, is it possible to do mostly int’l or/and Hawaii flying? I assume that I’d have to get on the A320 to stand a chance. And even with that, is it possible to build a line with mostly Hawaiian and int’l flying? Or am I years away from being able to do that?

I’m debating whether I want to head to AA, but I really don’t enjoy domestic flying, and much prefer int’l and overwater.

If this isn’t attainable at American within a year or two, I’m likely to either accept my CJO at Emirates, or take up an opportunity to interview at Kalitta. I just don’t want to be the guy that joins AA and wishes he was elsewhere. I’d rather save the spot for someone who is doing what they want to do.

International and Hawaii flying
 

Seriously...

I have no words. I thought I did, but then I erased them because I seriously have no words.


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Second troll thread. Enjoy Emirates.

No not possible. Go somewhere else where you'll be happy.

Is this dude serious??? Seriously? Is he seriously serious??

Thank you for your honesty and candor.

With so many daily departures from the mainland to Hawaii, why wouldn’t this be a valid question?

I bought a pair of DC One X Pro’s and love turning on the Bluetooth music from my phone and relaxing. Can’t do that with domestic flying as there’s too much ATC chatter.

I live a pretty stressful life and listening to music as I fly is calming. What else can I say?

Nothing trolling about asking whether I can bid to fly mostly Hawaii on the A320. If that’s a stupid question, just tell me why! Help me, or stop talking please.

Trollllllolololololololllllllllllllll

You can bid to fly Lunar round trips, but you won’t get those either. Do you feel you have earned the right to fly Hawaii round trips? You haven’t even earned the right to 2 leg red eyes to Kansas City. Go to Emirates troll.

If international flying is your thing don’t go to AA. Unless you want to live in Miami and go south. AA is a massive domestic airline with limited international. Look up international ASMs by region and as a percentage of total ASMs. UAL and DAL operate a higher percentage of international ASMs. Junior 787/777 CA is around 2000 out of 15,000 or top 13% of seniority list. Maybe 25 years? At Emirates it takes about 5 years.

Hawaii 3 day slash trips (12 hour credit) go junior but by next winter they will pay 15:45 and will likely be senior trips. 777/787 flying is senior. AAL has about 140 widebody aircraft out of nearly 1,000 planes. You can easily do the math and see what it takes to hold the bigger aircraft. After a few years you might be able to hold bottom reserve on one of those planes. The bases don’t offer much variety.

If you just want to see the world go to Ek, make some tax free money, and once you’ve had more than your fill come back to United/DALwhere you have a better variety of intl ops. Emirates is extremely standardized and the training is challenging.

AA is a great job but it has a relatively small international network and mgt has repeatedly stated they are not going to significantly grow the airline. Intl growth will probably be farmed out to JV Airlines. My $.02

You want help?

Sure...

I looked

The junior group of LAX 320 FO's with a mostly Hawaii schedule are 1999/2000 hires with a seniority range of 10,000 to 10,100.

The other international 320 flying is mostly BJX, CUN, MEX and the like.

Enjoy Emirates... I'm sure that they and their Captains will be fine with you spending your time on duty on the flight deck immersed in your music, while they fly solo.

I don’t see what’s wrong with the question. The info is out there if he digs it up. But it’s legit to ask what you can and cannot hold as a junior pilot on an AA message board. Some people choose a flying career to see the world. Others choose it to have a stable job that pays the bills. AA excels in one area and lags in the other.

Nothing wrong with this question. A few years ago new hires were getting 767 right out of training. That stopped because the fleet is shrinking. 75 & 76 are same bid status and pay less. So since the 78 will likely replace 76 it may become more and more junior. Also saying there are 140 out of 1000 airplanes.. do the math is not helpful and how does a person who doesn't know about these things do that math? There are a lot more Group IV FOs than Captains. PHL(A330)Miami and NY(777) are most junior at around 11700 of 15,000 ish pilot. It seems to get more and more junior so hard to tell where it will be in 5 years. Especially if they end up getting more 787s.Lowest 767 about 14300 which will get you some Europe out of NY.
It's a lot harder to predict these things at a big multi fleet airline. Sometimes there's no/little movement on some fleets for long periods then a big surge forward.

That’s fine but the notion that this guy wants to make a career decision based on if he can listen to his music uninterrupted by ATC is comical.

Thank you for this information. I’ll be passing on AA, as their goals and my goals aren’t aligned. I really appreciate the information.

As far as making a career decision based on my ability to listen to music without ATC interruptions, you have it all wrong.

Assuming we’re not being trolled, maybe this will help. I have 7 friends currently at Emirates anxiously waiting for an opportunity to leave Emirates for AAL, DAL, and UAL. I have NEVER heard anyone at AAL say they intend to leave their job for Emirates. If you’re seriously considering Kalitta over any of the network carriers, I would question your decision making process.

I guess we here at American are unworthy. Enjoy the desert my friend.

I have a buddy a Kalitta, I questioned his sanity but he truly loves it. He is qualified for all the legacies, but hasn’t got an interview yet, now he says he’s staying. He likes commuting from Seattle, loves the international flying, set it’s pretty laid-back and fairly quick upgrade to the whale, enjoys two weeks off consecutively and no oassengers to deal with. While I agree it’s definitely not on par with the big three it’s still is a pretty decent place way better than anything in the Middle East. New contract, selected ALPA, leaving Teamsters. There is something for everyone that’s for sure. I’d see if you’re interested in Kalitta make sure you visit forum for them and try to jumpseat on them to get some real inside information. Cheers.

It isn’t a matter of being unworthy. It’s just the flying that AA does isn’t aligned with the flying I want to do. Rather than ***** and moan about the job not being what I want it to be, I’m choosing to not pursue the airline. And you talk like that’s a bad thing...?

On the flip side I know of at least one AA pilot at Emirates who turned down the recall and chose to stay in the Middle East. $220k after tax, worldwide route network, nice hotels, quick upgrade to Group IV CA, first class travel, and living the expat life appeals to some people. Not everyone but some. AAL is a better job. Emirates might be a better experience for some. It’s more money in your pocket for the first 10 years but probably less money over the long term.

Funny how on this message board everyone gets so defensive and aggressive about who is the best airline, etc. Who cares? Figure out your goals in life and go to the airline that aligns with your goals.

Assuming you’re not some 30 year old eating Doritos in his mom’s basement all day letting the Xbox take a break - All three jobs are totally different - and one may appeal to you more than another. I have done military, 5 minutes at a regional, heavy jet VIP international charter, DoD contracts, and AA. All were different, all had/have ups or downs. AA is by far the easiest job I have ever had in my entire life, and at this point in life, that’s just fine.



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Call Emirates.
Ask them their music listening policy for the cockpit via Bluetooth.

If they don't permit it, ask them for a Conditional Waiver of Policy letter to be added to your job offer so it can be aligned with your needs.

After that, you're good to go!

Emirates allows it, but only during cruise.

Does American ban using a headset to listen to music over Bluetooth while in cruise?

No the FAA does.

Sounds like Kalitta is out too.

Enjoy the sandbox.

Regulation number please?

Does American ban using a headset to listen to music over Bluetooth while in cruise

Explicitly, clearly, unquestinably, yes...

I find it nearly unbelievable that you would ask... I love listening to music, have a music room at home, and always something new to listen to on a deadhead.

In flight, while in the cockpit, on duty?

Because you lead a stressful lifestyle?

Seriously?

They call it "work" and "duty" for a reason.

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Not sure which paragraph

Emirates does not allow listening to music while on duty. Unless you are taking controlled rest or in the bunk.

You can’t be for real.

I’m for real. And you fools think I mean while I’m flying? Of course I don’t. I’m talking about when in rest or otherwise not the active pilot (ie: deadheading)

BS dude. Read your earlier post,

So where is the ATC chatter when you're deadheading or on rest?

Typically Channel 9 on United. Or in the jumpseat if dh’ing in the cockpit.

Haha man you're hilarious. I'm finally learning to take everything you say as one big joke, it's deadpanned superbly well.

Mind sharing your info so we can all get you hired on at NASA faster?

Not what you stated. Try again.

Going to report you to the Troll Guild for failure to execute.

Enjoy Emirates, please...

At 12:52 today Lugar posted this on a thread dealing with boredom in cruise.....no mention of on deadheads.....it referenced domestic flights so no rest breaks.....

“I won’t do anything that keeps my head down (so, no studying, napping, reading, iPad, etc). I have a Bluetooth capable aviation headset (DC Pro X), and will turn on some playlists from my phone. Makes the time fly by, and the music mutes when ATC or the intercom is in use. Personally I find female country singers to make the time go the quickest (Kacey Musgraves, Miranda Lambert, Lady Antebellum) with a mix of male country singers (George Strait, Tim McGraw, Eric Church), and a little mix of everything else.”

I'll say it again:

Don't feed him, folks. He's playing you like a fiddle.

Channel 9 on United. Holy time machine Batman!!!