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PRS Guitars 08-10-2018 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by Battlinbear21 (Post 2652490)
I’m very new to AA, but already bidding 75% on 190. Been here 5 months. Seems the long calls get abused more than short. Working up to 72 but not breaking it. Also, I’m very tempted to just stay on it to avoid rsv on G2. Take the pay hit for QOL. But, come November maybe things will be much better w sequence protection. That does happen w the rigs right? Or is it entirely separate?

We already have sequence protection (with “recovery obligation”) for line holders. Maybe I’m confused about what you’re asking though.

OVBIII 08-10-2018 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by PRS Guitars (Post 2652663)
We already have sequence protection (with “recovery obligation”) for line holders. Maybe I’m confused about what you’re asking though.

PRS, do you think if this person bids G2 (on the next bid) they will still WTH them on the 190? I know they are keeping the 190 a bit longer. That might be a gamble worth taking. They could get G2 pay whilst still being on the 190. I just don’t know if they are still doing the 190 WTH.

Name User 08-10-2018 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by OVBIII (Post 2652734)
PRS, do you think if this person bids G2 (on the next bid) they will still WTH them on the 190? I know they are keeping the 190 a bit longer. That might be a gamble worth taking. They could get G2 pay whilst still being on the 190. I just don’t know if they are still doing the 190 WTH.

Only bid what you want.

OVBIII 08-10-2018 01:42 PM


Originally Posted by Name User (Post 2652745)
Only bid what you want.

Oh I completely agree. Just trying to provoke thought on all the processes.

Frip 08-10-2018 08:02 PM

Reserves get paid to be available, iaw with the contract.

It doesn't matter how much or what reserve pilots fly, until and unless they break guarantee, as tallied up by the other work/pay rules and rigs.

Yes, of course I'd like to see less abailable days and higher guarantees - and in that order.

I'd really like to see days off actually be days off.

cactusmike 08-10-2018 09:22 PM


Originally Posted by Battlinbear21 (Post 2652490)
I’m very new to AA, but already bidding 75% on 190. Been here 5 months. Seems the long calls get abused more than short. Working up to 72 but not breaking it. Also, I’m very tempted to just stay on it to avoid rsv on G2. Take the pay hit for QOL. But, come November maybe things will be much better w sequence protection. That does happen w the rigs right? Or is it entirely separate?

Long call does get called out before SC. If you live in base then SC would normally allow you to dodge a lot of flying. Summer is the exception. Even on the 777 we are seeing tons of OG and SC flying. Friday night had two open trips and no SC reserves left. (Left seat)

As far as the new Long rate I’m only guessing but you should see the slash trips not get dumped into open time as often. I don’t see them going away because slash trips are marketing driven, I.e. mixed fleets going into the same city doesn’t allow for efficient crew swaps or RONs. So those trips will pay more for less time away, which is always nice. Soft time is your friend and is the enemy of the pairing optimizer.

PRS Guitars 08-11-2018 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by Frip (Post 2652939)

Yes, of course I'd like to see less abailable days and higher guarantees - and in that order.

I'd really like to see days off actually be days off.

I agree with all of the above and by making a day’s work pay a day’s wage (5:15 per day of res/training/vacation) would solve the problem. One could then bid a 14 day reserve line that pays 73.5 or a 15 day that pays 78.75. And no such thing as a DFP or DO or golden days, or movable...it’s just a day off.

Paperboi 08-11-2018 10:03 AM

What's diff between DFP and a day off?

Frip 08-11-2018 12:39 PM

"It's just a day off...

And inviolable, except by the chouce of the pilot and at Premium Rates. (Yes, I know that someone is going to get stuck out with a broken airplane/blizzard/whatever sometime... Still premium...)

Battlinbear21 08-12-2018 04:03 AM

Rsv question. I was Given a sequence today that started w a double DH to DCA to operate 1 leg to BOS. Overnight and DH back to phl tomorrow. Tomorrow is my last day of the rsv stretch. I told Scheduling I’m no showing those DHs today and just driving to DC. Plan is to contact tracking and no show for tomorrow and just non rev back to dc as soon as we land. Here is the question. Am I going To be credit protected for tomorrow if I get Off today or will they assign me a rap tomorrow and most likely give me a out and back. (I’ll be #1 on draft list) would it better to take hotel tonight and no show at 5am tomorrow or can I do It today and be “off” tomorrow?


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