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PRS Guitars 06-30-2018 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by Sliceback (Post 2625060)
Median of 25, 45, and 50 hrs is brutal? That’s 1-3 trips.

Exactly, the high numbers you posted are just that...the highest time guy. There will be 1 or 2 guys every month that get up to that range. There will be 1 or 2 that fly only 20 hours. There are ways to influence your own outcome to some degree (legit, not nefarious). Mainly being smart with your schedule bid. I have a few techniques that I like. About 75% in your status gets you above the coverage line, and thus able to get any days off you want on LC. Also judging the open time vs your availability vs number of reserves and your group standing...and proffering when it’s warrented. I recomend aareserve.com along with HI33 for the above. After that...luck plays a large part.

Cheddar 06-30-2018 03:53 PM

What about a dollar amount added to the pay rates every time a contract item is not implemented?

We agree in the next contract that certain items are in gates. If gate x isnt implemented by date y, there incurs a 1% pay raise penalty for every month until completed. That’s painful after a few months.

Maybe no more than 3-4 gates with all items included?


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seafeye 07-14-2018 05:35 AM

I think the number 1 item to be addressed is the scheduling up to 16 hours.
How is this even legal?
If your on reserve. Throw out the contract and live by 117. It’s our only restriction.

ORDinary 07-14-2018 05:38 AM


Originally Posted by seafeye (Post 2634586)
I think the number 1 item to be addressed is the scheduling up to 16 hours.
How is this even legal?
If your on reserve. Throw out the contract and live by 117. It’s our only restriction.

117 allows for 16 hours if you are short call.

seafeye 07-14-2018 05:48 AM


Originally Posted by ORDinary (Post 2634589)
117 allows for 16 hours if you are short call.

Exactly. No need for a contract. Even regionals have a max 14 hour limit.

redbaronahp 07-14-2018 06:17 AM

The contract for our wholly owned regional airline PSA doesn’t allow anyone to be scheduled past 13 hours. They can work up to 117 limit if delayed but can not be scheduled to go past 13. This includes reserve.

seafeye 07-14-2018 07:49 AM


Section 15 of contract. Section L Filling of Open Time 3. Filling of Open Time -Basic Rules d. "Unless a Reserve Pilot is the only QLA Pilot, Reserve pilots awarded/assigned FDP's will be buffered with thirty (30) minutes from FAR 117 FDP limitations measured from the beginning of a pilot's Scheduled RAP if on Short Call Duty, or from the sequence sign-in if on Long Call Duty. This provision may be waived with Pilot consent."
Aka, only 15:30!!!

Is their a reason why the company can’t follow what was negotiated?

Name User 07-14-2018 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by ORDinary (Post 2634589)
117 allows for 16 hours if you are short call.

That's kinda a BS example though. Yeah, you're "on duty" while in bed sleeping? Or lounging around the house?

Reserves still must comply with lineholder duty limits as well.

ORDinary 07-14-2018 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by Name User (Post 2634731)
That's kinda a BS example though. Yeah, you're "on duty" while in bed sleeping? Or lounging around the house?

You mean getting woken up by snoring in the crash pad...?

Name User 07-14-2018 10:18 AM


Originally Posted by ORDinary (Post 2634748)
You mean getting woken up by snoring in the crash pad...?

I've put my time into various pads throughout the years but don't see how that is the Company's problem. Some guys pay the extra to have a room to themselves. Others like me are cheap and wore earplugs. It sucks but let's not deflect this.


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