M&H Uniforms
 

You have got to be kidding me. Worst uniform in the world in the history of uniforms. It's like they figured out a way to make everything fit the worst way possible.

Agreed. Cheap material, looks like crap. I’ve migrated to using a cut above stuff.

Disagree.

Twin hill was made of toilet tissue.

Yep, most guys just wear the TH. It looks similar. There is a thread in the regional forum about it too.

Just look at the replacement costs...pants are $85(?) I think?

The TH pants fit (me) much better than the M&H pants. As per always, I have to bring my jacket in to a good tailor, though (procrastinating).

M&H did a better job with stripe placement than TH, for sure.

The TH shirts were awful. I threw them out (and I’d NEVER done such a thing). The M&H shirts are much better, but the slots for the wing pins are still spaced too close.

I'll just gonna keep wearing what I own.

That's wonderful and all, except that it won't be approved anymore. M&H will be the ONLY approved uniform after the first of the year.

You can say I'm a moron, I'm crazy or whatever, but there are people out there who have had reactions to the TH uniform and continue to do so when they're around it. Please stop wearing the TH uniform.

Lots of stuff isn't approved but that doesn't stop anyone from going to cut above or Kohl's, ect.

Just please stop wearing the TH uniform. How f*&^ing hard is it?

Hard when m and h doesnt fit.

Call them and get a difference size. Quick turnaround, excellent customer service.

At least 6 months and counting waiting on it. Then off to the tailor if it fits when it finally shows up. Might be a year from time of ordering.

Not looking forward to it. The old m and h we had was garbage but apparently these are even worse. I've heard the buttons on the jacket are just plain plastic. Oh well.

Just sew the buttons from the TH blazer jacket onto the M&H, done.

Why are people wearing TH when it’s proven it irritates some of our coworkers skin? Are they ignorant or just hate our own pilot group?

I’m one of the people affected by the toxic uniforms. Had to throw my TH uniform out, which was a shame because it did fit better than the M and H uniform. Pants are the worst fitting.

That's exactly what I did.

Because it'd a G*d damn fashion show. "It's all about me!" "I didn't have a reaction, so there's no such thing as reactions!" "Proximate reactions are BS and don't exist!"

That was all a song and dance by the inept APFA. Their own testing concluded it met Oeko Tex 100 standards as does the M&H and Lands End. There was nothing "toxic" in those pieces outside industry norms and what you are feeling in the current uniform pieces.

As for the "reactions", that vast majority were due to the wool content which is why alternatives were made. Out of 80,000 employees some are bound to have some issues. People are allergic to all sorts of things, that doesn't make them "toxic".

The TH-Alaska Airlines lawsuit was thrown out after being repeatedly debunked in all sorts of testing.

M&H Uniforms
 

I’m shocked the company gave in and got a new uniform vendor after all the testing.

This is why we can’t have nice things. To everyone here that wears TH you’re a moron.

I’m wearing a combination of TH pants and MH blazer. The MH pants were too small, but I’ve outgrown my TH blazer. Color is very similar

The reason we can't have nice things is because people refuse to look at facts and instead concoct this crazy conspiracy that TH is "poisoning" them. If TH is toxic so is M&H and Lands End. They all have met and passed the same tough standards even in random tests done by the APFA.

The M&H stuff is absolute crap unless your BMI is above 28. Then it "fits". Quality is still low end though.

The shirts are garbage...they fit like you’re wearing a big dogs clothing line. The pants are like wearing a heavy blanket and Look sloppy. Only decent thing that feels right is the blazer. Cut above here I come.

Exactly. Hence the reason I continue to say they look sloppy.

I tailored the M&H pants at my own cost. $15 per pant and the legs were brought in. Looks OK now. But that makes them $100 pants if I were to have to replace them. I'm sorry but that is just outrageous to ask employees to spend that sort of money on their uniform. And that still doesn't address the lower end look and quality of the uniform itself.

still POS material and fit. doesn't solve the issue for those that have no issue with TH and love the fit of TH.

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What are you even talking about? What reports have you heard from MH uniforms and reactions? TH only. Don’t be an idiot.

And your degree in Chemical Engineering is from....

I wear plenty of wool things and have NEVER had a reaction like I had from TH. I'm not a flight attendant. I can vouch I had reactions.

Can you explain, oh great one in the yoga pants, why I have respiratory issues when flying with someone wearing TH and that mysteriously go away when I'm away from them in my hotel room or at home?

You like stretchy girl pants. I get it. You don't need to try so hard.

Oh, and I love your bias against fat people.

Name User is a chemical expert (still waiting to find out his degree and training background). I never knew I believed a flight attendant and that this is all in my head, despite the fact I've worn wool clothes all my life and never had a reaction like I had to TH.

MH is trash and doesn’t fit anyone other than the obese. Almost everyone else is happy with TH. It fits, better quality and causes no issue to the vast majority. The company has caused the issue of everyone wearing a mix of TH, Kohls, Cut Above etc by changing to the cheapest crap possible with a generic garbage man jumpsuit fit. Nobody wants to wear that trash because they already have ordered stuff that fits well, is made well, the color is close enough and nobody buys the argument that their washed/laundered pants are giving someone else a melt down 5’ away. If that was the case you couldn’t even be out in the general public in the masses of chinese chemical produced crap everyone around you wears. Do the passengers in your recurlating air tube have to wear MH too? What if they are allergic to “that” material? Maybe pollen is high that day, maybe someone has a down coat. Could be a million different things causing your snivels. Take an allergy pill?

I get that you may not be able to wear it, so don’t. I get a rash from oil in Steve Madden leather shoes. Everytime. So i just stopped wearing them. Problem solved. Not trying to tell hundreds of crewmembers or my wife they have to not wear Steve Madden anymore. Lol.

The fact that people don’t listen to their own union about not wearing TH as other pilots and flight attendants are having reactions to them is mind blowing. You don’t like how you look in MH? Maybe y’all shoulda been a model or something. That’s ridiculous. They even pay to get them altered for you.

Good Lord. And we expect an industry leading contract??

Some of you guys really need a new hobby.

I’m 100% M&H. Not my favorite material and fit, but I had the pants and shirts tailored to my own fit. Looks and feels fine. Life goes on.

Why would I need to be a chemical expert to read the results of the APFA tests? The experts are the ones who conduct the tests. This stuff isn't hard guys.

TH has the same levels (or less) of the "toxins" that the other suppliers will have. They all meet the same strict Okeo standards and in the case of TH those were random articles pulled from th APFA ranks from people that had these "reactions", not just stuff that was tested by TH. The lawsuit will get thrown out just like the Alaska one did.

Cool story bro.

the toxins must be getting to you.

We shouldn't have to have major alterations done to every piece to make it fit comfortably or look half way decent.

Just like life...we have to cater and please the small minority who complain the loudest while we disregard the majorities views and opinions.

First, they weren’t major alterations. Second, I’ve always made alterations with every uniform I’ve ever had, even the non problematic ones in the past.. but then again, I always spend some extra $$$ to ensure a quality look and fit.

My point is that we’re arguing about small potatoes. If the company says to wear M&H, wear M&H instead of doing our own thing. Watch some of our peers walking through the terminals.. remarkable, really, how all delta and united pilots look very consistent and professional. And United has had uniform issues recently too.. you don’t see them all mis matched.

Take pride in how we look.

We can't do that! We have to be rebellious! That's what the cool kids do! Look at us rebels in our yoga pants!

Whatevs man, I guess I was crazy too. Three months of wearing TH and was sick all the time with respiratory issues. Went to the doctor and didn’t have anything that was apparently causing it (pneumonia, bronchitis, etc.) except for the fact that I was having horrible symptoms.

I threw everything in a bag and threw it in the attic and I’ve been fine since except seasonal allergies. When I talked to the APA, I was told that certain batches of TH fabric had been sitting for awhile awaiting cut/tailoring and was sprayed with pesticides and rat poison.

This would explain why only some of us were affected and not everyone, and why when tested, the fabric is “fine.”

I have a wool sweater from TH that I love and have worn most cooler days when I didn’t have a jacket except for the old leather one.

Btw, the TH uniforms were far superior IMHO than the M&H garbage.


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