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UnamedAviator 03-02-2022 05:14 AM
Originally Posted by AAL24 (Post 3381372)
I would think that's the primary reason widebody is relatively senior in both seats (for Group IV) at American. The total number of widebody pilots (CA + FO) at AAL is currently 2,787 out of 13,891 or roughly 20%. I imagine that number is much higher at UAL and probably somewhat higher at Delta. Maybe someone has those numbers for DAL and UAL.
We have what half the wide bodies that UA does? That’s a big number. A lot more total spots.
Also there’s a reason things fall junior and go to NHs typically.. pilots havnt filled vacancies for various reasons.. high number of transcon red eyes, global reserve, etc..

sanicom3205 03-02-2022 06:31 AM
Originally Posted by aa73 (Post 3381253)
I first upgraded in LGA, best decision I ever made… I had 10 CAs below me on the same award so I started out right away on Long Call (commuting from DCA.) Easy commute , drove it half the time. Started holding a line three months later and at that point I’d just drop most if not my entire line every month and rebuild with out of base MU/PM in DCA. Held a DCA award 9 months later.

Sometimes bidding LGA isn’t as bad as it seems. To each their own
Indeed to each their own. The drive was murderous and expensive, and I’m much closer than DC. Power to ya

nene 03-02-2022 11:07 AM
Originally Posted by AAL24 (Post 3381372)
I would think that's the primary reason widebody is relatively senior in both seats (for Group IV) at American. The total number of widebody pilots (CA + FO) at AAL is currently 2,787 out of 13,891 or roughly 20%. I imagine that number is much higher at UAL and probably somewhat higher at Delta. Maybe someone has those numbers for DAL and UAL.
One advantage that Delta has is PWA requires 2 cappys and 2 FO's for all long haul operations. I've heard that UAL PWA only requires 1Captain/3FO's. That drives the need for more WB Cappys (and less FO's)at DAL than at UAL for a given plane. Not sure what AAL requires.

Dobbs18 03-02-2022 11:11 AM
Originally Posted by sanicom3205 (Post 3381070)
I’m gonna take the upgrade but I’m not going to NYC to do it, and i’m going to wait out for some better seniority so im not in the bottom 20%. I think that’s reasonable, other people can deal with that nonsense
that’s what I am going to do too….I can hold Bus CA anywhere but CLT and when I can I am not going to jump on the first one…like you said I think the QOL hit being in the bottom 15-20% of the list is so bad that it’s not worth it…the only commuting for work that I will willfully do is the 30 min drive I have to the employee lot…and honestly with the gains in seniority I have had in the last 6 months combined with all the premium I make what I would as a RSV CA anyways with tons more control of my schedule.

Saabs 03-02-2022 11:26 AM
Originally Posted by nene (Post 3381665)
One advantage that Delta has is PWA requires 2 cappys and 2 FO's for all long haul operations. I've heard that UAL PWA only requires 1Captain/3FO's. That drives the need for more WB Cappys (and less FO's)at DAL than at UAL for a given plane. Not sure what AAL requires.
Believe they are 16 hours and we are 18 hours until we need a second skipper.

Gundam 03-02-2022 04:25 PM
Originally Posted by AllYourBaseAreB (Post 3380819)
The only logical reason for the Juniority difference is that Reserve is relatively not that bad at AA and being a senior NB FO at Delta/United is just that good.
Then shouldn't there be unfilled captain slots like UA had? No matter what someone has to be the plug even if it takes 20 years to get there.

nene 03-02-2022 04:33 PM
Originally Posted by Saabs (Post 3381671)
Believe they are 16 hours and we are 18 hours until we need a second skipper.
18hrs, Ay Caramba! Imagine you'd only need two trips a month to have a 72hr line if you had 18hr legs, but those are some legs!


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