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Sliceback 11-19-2018 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by viper548 (Post 2710837)
I'm on the airbus and many of the captains I fly with have flown the 737. Most of them say there is no way they are going back. Some say they'd rather commute to the AB. I'd guess the 737 would be quite a bit junior to the airbus if they brought them in. One of the VPs just released his annual forecast and it discussed fleet movement, but nothing about opening new 737 bases.

Neither airplane is that bad, or the other so good, that it's worth commuting to work to fly the favored plane if you can drive to work and fly the 'worse' airplane. Same base, same seniority, same type of flying? Bid the Airbus. LAA guys who live in N.C. stopped saying "if it ain't Boeing I ain't going" as soon as they could upgrade on the AB in CLT. A saying among Airbus crews "friends don't let friends fly the 737." ;-)

Smoke Toliet 11-19-2018 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by Laker24 (Post 2710919)
The million dollar question is how many active pilots do management expect to have on property in 2/5/10 years. I wonder if they are counting on the new Embraer product and overseas Joint Venture agreements to ease their retirement strains. Parker likes to farm out flying to cheaper vendors. Clearly he doesn’t care about controlling the product.

Ain’t that the truth. If the product is cheap crap but the profits roll in is one thing but if the product is cheap crap and the profits and stock price struggle will the board replace him and his team?
Elise’s tweet about United over the weekend shows just how disconnected they are with reality and what’s going on with their product.

Name User 11-19-2018 03:29 PM

I just flew eight legs as a nonrev through various hubs on a couple vacations. Had no real issues with the product or service, in fact thought it was pretty good and our FAs did a good job, all were exceedingly nice to fellow pax. I was on the new 737 oasis and they turned the worst seats at the bulkhead into some of the nicest ones out there, lots of leg room. The arm rest has the cool iPad holder that lets you brace it up right to watch movies.

By far the worst issue was the loud as hell annocumemts on the 757 and the fact that no inflight entertainment worked on it both legs. That is two iPhones, an iPad, and a windows laptop. It would never play movies. Pretty crappy. Oh, and "live tv" that Doug is bragging about? Four news channels. Totally bogus. Each flight was also over an hour late. They can't get rid of those planes fast enough!

I would say hands down our biggest issue is lack of a consistent inflight product. No one knows what they will get. It could be a rickety clapped out RJ, a S80, an old A320, or a new 737. Hell I even flew on a 787 to Las Vegas on one leg.

I prefer the seats of the Airbus but much prefer riding in a 737 now. The Airbus has some issues with yaw in flight and it kinda makes me sick especially in the bumps. Also as a pax I enjoy going up to 39,000 to avoid most of the weather. I've completely come around on the 737 and actually would like if we started getting rid of the Airbus and went to a straight 737/777/787 fleet with a consistent product inside. I don't think I will bid the Airbus again unless I have to.

QuagmireGiggity 11-20-2018 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by Name User (Post 2711101)
I just flew eight legs as a nonrev through various hubs on a couple vacations. Had no real issues with the product or service, in fact thought it was pretty good and our FAs did a good job, all were exceedingly nice to fellow pax. I was on the new 737 oasis and they turned the worst seats at the bulkhead into some of the nicest ones out there, lots of leg room. The arm rest has the cool iPad holder that lets you brace it up right to watch movies.

By far the worst issue was the loud as hell annocumemts on the 757 and the fact that no inflight entertainment worked on it both legs. That is two iPhones, an iPad, and a windows laptop. It would never play movies. Pretty crappy. Oh, and "live tv" that Doug is bragging about? Four news channels. Totally bogus. Each flight was also over an hour late. They can't get rid of those planes fast enough!

I would say hands down our biggest issue is lack of a consistent inflight product. No one knows what they will get. It could be a rickety clapped out RJ, a S80, an old A320, or a new 737. Hell I even flew on a 787 to Las Vegas on one leg.

I prefer the seats of the Airbus but much prefer riding in a 737 now. The Airbus has some issues with yaw in flight and it kinda makes me sick especially in the bumps. Also as a pax I enjoy going up to 39,000 to avoid most of the weather. I've completely come around on the 737 and actually would like if we started getting rid of the Airbus and went to a straight 737/777/787 fleet with a consistent product inside. I don't think I will bid the Airbus again unless I have to.

Haha.. F that. I'll never go back to the 737. I've never hated an airplane so much. The cabin from the pax point of view wasn't noticable to me to pick either one.

757HI 11-20-2018 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by Name User (Post 2711101)
I just flew eight legs as a nonrev through various hubs on a couple vacations. Had no real issues with the product or service, in fact thought it was pretty good and our FAs did a good job, all were exceedingly nice to fellow pax. I was on the new 737 oasis and they turned the worst seats at the bulkhead into some of the nicest ones out there, lots of leg room. The arm rest has the cool iPad holder that lets you brace it up right to watch movies.

By far the worst issue was the loud as hell annocumemts on the 757 and the fact that no inflight entertainment worked on it both legs. That is two iPhones, an iPad, and a windows laptop. It would never play movies. Pretty crappy. Oh, and "live tv" that Doug is bragging about? Four news channels. Totally bogus. Each flight was also over an hour late. They can't get rid of those planes fast enough!

I would say hands down our biggest issue is lack of a consistent inflight product. No one knows what they will get. It could be a rickety clapped out RJ, a S80, an old A320, or a new 737. Hell I even flew on a 787 to Las Vegas on one leg.

I prefer the seats of the Airbus but much prefer riding in a 737 now. The Airbus has some issues with yaw in flight and it kinda makes me sick especially in the bumps. Also as a pax I enjoy going up to 39,000 to avoid most of the weather. I've completely come around on the 737 and actually would like if we started getting rid of the Airbus and went to a straight 737/777/787 fleet with a consistent product inside. I don't think I will bid the Airbus again unless I have to.

Glad you enjoy it.:)

After 18 years in Boeings, the only way I’m going back to one is via a displacement. :D

Every day I’m liking the ‘bus more and more.

Who wants a parking meter poking up between their legs?:rolleyes:

Saabs 11-20-2018 05:22 PM

Cabin in 737 is worse. Especially in a window seat. The fuselage is more narrow than an airbus and as a result you have led width at your feet when in a window seat due to the smaller fuselage.

I’ve heard people talk about the yaw on airbus but I’ve not been able to tell in the way back of a 321. I remember the Q400 was awful back there.

Name User 11-20-2018 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by Saabs (Post 2711839)
Cabin in 737 is worse. Especially in a window seat. The fuselage is more narrow than an airbus and as a result you have led width at your feet when in a window seat due to the smaller fuselage.

I’ve heard people talk about the yaw on airbus but I’ve not been able to tell in the way back of a 321. I remember the Q400 was awful back there.

I never thought the yawing was an issue on the Airbus until I stayed off of one for several months and flew on exclusively US designed aircraft. It's hard to describe, just feels like it lacks a rudder.

I was a huge Airbus fan, but not so much anymore. I do like the cabin more, and the coc...flightdeck is way nicer.

flyinawa 11-20-2018 06:06 PM


Originally Posted by Name User (Post 2711848)
...flightdeck is way nicer.

In the same way listening to music on an iPhone is nicer than on an 8 track. Way, *WAY* nicer.

aa73 11-20-2018 07:40 PM

737 all the way. Like a stick shift sports car... cramped, loud, tight fit but yet still requires old school piloting skills that are going extinct these days.. and a pure joy to fly.

Wanna be a systems manager and lose your flying skills, bid the Scarebus. Wanna still be a pilot at heart, bid the 737. I can hold the left seat of both in base, at the same seniority... wouldn’t switch in a million years.

“Friends let (senior) friends bid the Scarebus... so they can move up the list on the 737.” :D

Sliceback 11-20-2018 08:45 PM

Since we fly in the middle of the envelope the FBW protection isn’t a factor. The AB hand flies fine.


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