Regarding Brad, see my post before your post #49...as far as expanding international, how can we do it if we're giving routes away to code-sharing partners (BA/CX/QF, et al)?

Yes it is. Tell the APA pilots how ALPA is going to do better than SWAPA’s section one.

Envoy ALPA (MEC) snackgate... basically a bunch of alcoholics going to town with the pilots dues (not just at bars and restaurants, but actually purchasing alcohol at liquor stores on the way back to the hotel. That also begs the question of why every restaurant receipt was from a place that my wife and I could only afford to eat at once a year on our anniversary. How about union folks just get per down rather than covered expenses while traveling on business?

How about when ALPA National sent national officers to Envoy to apply pressure in support of concessions for shiny new E175s?

How about ALPA National cheering while PSA signed a concessionary contract to undercut basically every other regional carrier (all of which, except for PSA, had signed an agreement of solidarity regarding not taking concessions).

Unions are a necessary evil in this industry, but they never stick to their humble beginnings. Unions inevitably become giant, politically-motivated entities with the primary goals of supporting their bureaucracy, training the next group of company managers, and suppressing resistance.

United pilots can be assigned “field standby” at the airport. AA has no such option.

100% agree with this

Your examples are absurd, misinformed and full of half truths. It's so much more convenient for union haters to blame ALPA than Frank Lorenzo and the scabs. And ALPA was definitely responsible for all TWA and U.S. Airways problems and their five bankruptcies. And Fred Smith is now an ALPA supporter. Go sell crazy somewhere else this place is all filled up.

At least you admit your disdain for unions, but please don't blame Envoy pilots' lack of oversight or ability to promote capable union leaders or the economic realities of fee-for-departure carriers on ALPA International. Nice try though.

Yep.

The stuff I saw ALPA let slide at my previous airline told me everything I ever needed to know about them.

Our local union got away with many clear, obvious and blatant violations of bylaws, eithics, and stuff which would probably have been been criminal in a properly regulated environment.

I’m not voting for those *******s, ever. As much as we gripe anout APA, it’s actually a better Union than what I saw with ALPA and it’s BS.

So you are man of union morals more than pay and benefits... because pilots are pilots and the APA would never be fallible...

Dous, go work on scope or something.

How do I negotiate with my management when they slide your crappy hourly pay rates across the table?