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Old 01-25-2019, 07:35 AM   #1  
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Default APA vs ALPA

If you had a choice who would prefer to negotiate this contract?

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Old 01-25-2019, 07:48 AM   #2  
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In the end it’s really irrelevant likely because notionally the same “people/pilots” would form the negotiating committee, lec’s, mec’s, and ultimately the same pilots of A.A. would vote yea or nea.
Maybe the best argument for alpa is access to their pro’s who know how to analyze what the company may be able/likely to give but I’m not sure that apa doesn’t already employ similar people familiar with AA.

Everybody likes to blame alpa/apa did this or that but in the end each is just a reflection of the individual pilot group they claim to represent.
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Doesn’t matter it’s all the same people doing the negotiations regardless.
The devils in the details. Wording needs to be rock solid. Not like “Mexico will pay for it!”
Then later we find that “How” they pay for it is a broad, open for interpretation statement.

Our contract is no different. I would rather wording be rock solid then sign early. Neither APA or ALPA would be significantly different.
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Maybe the best argument for alpa is access to their pro’s who know how to analyze what the company may be able/likely to give...
ALPA cutoff the contract for those service under their last President. Maybe the new one will rethink that decision.

Then there is the AFL-CIO affiliation, ALPA-PAC and 60,000 pilots.
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ALPA cutoff the contract for those service under their last President. Maybe the new one will rethink that decision.

Then there is the AFL-CIO affiliation, ALPA-PAC and 60,000 pilots.
Even if your APA centric, if you value your career going forward, a sizable donation to help ALPA-PAC go forward is a smart decision. AFAIK you don't have to be in ALPA to support the pilot lobbyists and help educate congress / senators about pilot issues.
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ALPA takes 1.9% dues, what does APA take? Just curious
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ALPA takes 1.9% dues, what does APA take? Just curious
Normally, 1%, except during contract negotiations (which is now), where they take 1.5%.
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Doesn’t matter it’s all the same people doing the negotiations regardless.

The devils in the details. Wording needs to be rock solid. Not like “Mexico will pay for it!”

Then later we find that “How” they pay for it is a broad, open for interpretation statement.


Actually, I saw the speech...”they might just write a check” or words or that effect. Nothing ambiguous about it!

The ambiguity came later, when it came time to actually get the check...but that’s the confidence man’s game, shame on us for falling for it. Hopefully we won’t be fooled twice!
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There are advantages to both APA and ALPA but as much as it makes me want to vomit, I think in the long run moving to ALPA is the best thing.

I think what we want is a merger, so that we have some control in ALPA. This has been articulated multiple times by several BoD and NO’s during telephone town halls.

Ultimately though, we really need some measure of re-regulation in the industry. If we are of such vital national economic importance, the federal government needs to do much better at protecting our jobs from foreign flags of convenience.





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A lot of APA's flaws are self-made. What does it take to reform APA? Term limits etc.
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