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Can someone please tell me what airplanes that are on AA property fall under

Group I
Group II
Group III
Group IV
Group V

I -E-190
II - A-319, A-320, A-321, B-737, MD-80
III- B757/767
IV- B-777, B787, A330
V- none

The difference between a 30 year career at Delta, United, FedEx, UPS and AAL is probably >$1,000,000. Choose wisely. People will tell you contracts come and go and you will move up the list faster at AA. That’s partially true but the facts are you will earn 20-30+% less at AAL in total compensation.

if APA screws up this bargaining round you are probably looking at another 10 year stretch where the avg DAL CA makes $50k+ per year above his/her counterpart at AA.

Is it true that Group V is reserved for commuter flights to Mars? rotfl

I left ual for aa and it was a mistake.

Those would probably be group 1. Group 5 is B-747 and A-380.

You are correct. Originally 74s.

That may be true but delta and united hired a lot of young pilots over the last 5 years. Unless you’re under 30 would you ever get to those highest paying positions over there?



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Absolutely. You’ll also be flying more hours and staying at substandard hotels. The optimizer is butchering our quality of life and the hotels are getting worse every month. Unfortunately managements talk about changing the culture is just rhetoric to keep the workers rowing. A lot of us had hope for this management team......that’s gone. The union is outclassed when dealing with management and too arrogant to see it. If you come to AA keep updating your apps at Delta and FedEx.

You really don't know what the future holds. There was a time when Delta was last on everyone's list. 727FE forevvvvver vs going right into the FO seat with the best contract and fastest upgrades out there. Which would you choose?

That second carrier was US Air, mid to late 80's.

Turns out, that was a really good time to go to Delta.

You won't know that til the day you retire. You're using only today's information to say that.

If you have a crystal ball and predict the future, can you tell me if I'm still going to be married when I retire? Or am I going to trade my wife in a for a newer, younger model with less mileage?

Not sure on the first question but statistically you are very likely to do the second! And it will be an FA.

Actually, you guys are right. I accidently ventured over to cnr and was like “wth is wrong with everyone at AA?” All better now.

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I’m not sure I would let repetitive political diarrhea from the same 20 nutjobs taint the whole group...

100% correct. Roughly 15,000 pilots here, and maybe 20 to 30 of them over on that forum bloviating and pontificating as if they speak for us all.

Stay away from that cesspool if you want to keep your sanity. :rolleyes:

Lol @ group 1 dweebs

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Slight change in topic... What is the minimum guaranteed days off per month at AA? Thanks.

Reserves 12-13 depending on if it's a 30 or 31 day contractual month. For line holders it's pretty much a minimum of 13. 17 Days on at min guarantee is 89.25. The line construction window could possibly get that high, allowing 17 days on. In a 30 day month, that would be 13 off. I'd say 98% of the time 14 off is the minimum for line holders.

For line holders, it's 10 guaranteed days off, regardless of month length.

I’ve been there. Training months a junior line holder typically sees 10 days off which massively blows.

do you still get 13 off w vaca? Have R9 and vaca march. built 1 4 day block. Only leaves 8 days on call. hoping for a no call month as i’ll have a lot of existing credit and be very sr on SC.

No you don’t. You need to consult the proration table at the back of the PBS guide. CQT complicates it further. Always call the help desk when in doubt.

I am looking at section 15.D.4.k (reserve proration table). With 7 days vacation and I believe you said 4 days for R9 so 11 days unavailable. 30 days (march bid month) - 11 = 19 days available which gives you 12 reserve days and 7 days off .

Just to clarify, the 4 day block is your R9 correct?

I have no doubt if I am wrong someone will help correct us both.

PRS, when I replied just now I totally forgot that CQT isn't truly a 1 for 1, you are right it definitely complicates it. I had R9 in March of last year and I will go look but I think I had 12 or 13 days of RSV. Let me look.

EDIT: just looked...had 12 total days with R9 and Vacation

r9 is a 4 day event yes. and I did a 4 day rsv block to be a valid stretch. I figured the 8 days was too good to be true. didn’t plan on them both being in the same month. but they bought training from me in february. maybe they will do it again and i’ll dequal:)

Let me know if you hit the lotto!!!! I have heard its been happening lately!

Will Do. Hopefully it’s the Powerball so I can turn in my vest and be done w 450am cleveland walks all winter. That feb break was needed. Not getting a vacation in 2018 was painful. I never got the float memo, but I sure AF planned on using it all!

Yes. The training credit kills you...especially if you end up with a 5-day CQT pairing.

Not trying to pick on you, saying this for all of the new guys, especially military. Please start visiting the APA website regularly. Read all national blasts, read all domicile blasts. As painful as it is, peruse C&R, just filter through the crap. Listen to every town hall that you can. Make sure you enable email blasts from the APA. We all need to be engaged during negotiations.

And tell your fellow new hires to do the same...

Never got the email from apa. but I have not missed a town hall in philly. (where i heard them say they asked all to use it.) and listened to everything from dallas. Not Mil. Optimistic about APA. or maybe it’s the future.

Couldn’t agree more. PLEASE sign up for APA emails from the Contract Compliance Committee at a minimum as well. I hear people ask the same question on FB groups and in the ‘cockpit’ all the time that are clearly explained in weekly emails.

It’s your career though...


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Also, slowly but surely the APA is getting a lot of new blood, and a lot of new talent and ideas to go along with it. Our organizational structure is still efff’d, but there is positive change.

CCC and the NC have been awesome as of late. Heard my rep about the NC two weeks ago and heard the best news possible: “the BoD is staying out of negotiations and letting our NC and professional help do their jobs.”


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Yep. The recent town halls put on by the NC were very impressive.

It’s amazing what a modicum of communication does. Not taking anything from the NC’s creds.

So. Much. This.

But we can also subscribe to APA emails and be proactive about flying the contract. “Summer is coming...”


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