The Road to Charlotte
 

Folks,

Request if anyone has an idea how long to get Charlotte? My seniority is low...mid 14K. I’d take educated guesses, crystal ball looks, or even shots through the dark.

Thank you in advance.

Probably a year and a half, maybe more.... most jr Fo is 13,7xx.

Most senior base and sloooooooooooooooooooow movement if any.

These things ebb and flow. Take the long view, it will happen for you eventually. CLT has massive retirements coming up over the next 4 years.

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He said he was junior, not stupid.

roflmao........

Forrrevvver...

through a vacancy it is taking a VERY long time for someone to get CLT. However don't forget about mutual base exchange. Some FO's are getting fed up with the lack of movement and seniority in CLT and moving on to other bases, creating openings for those who don't mind that about CLT. Seniority number 13,7xx got CLT on the March Mutual Base Exchange award...which is far lower than anyone has been awarded CLT on a vacancy recently.

Last R9 they were saying that 33% of the 320/CAs retire in 2019. That HAS to open up some FO positions after backfill.

Bid every FO position in CLT. Wait and see what happens, especially during the holidays.

The one problem with that is I think the lowest seniority number in CLT is high 13’s, so no one above that can do a MBE because they would be the most junior person.

That's only the 320 and the 330, correct?

How long to hold 330 FO in CLT?

The current indicators are indicating that every indication indicates CLT 330 is >15 years

I am not sure this is totally correct...the very bottom guy in CLT got in on the March MBE...

On the MBE page on APA site:

"A pilot cannot exchange into a bid status where he or she will be the most junior pilot. Thus, a mutual exchange cannot result in a new, more junior pilot in either one of the two statuses involved in the exchange".

It shows in red with an * if you are too junior to hold a position and MBE will be disregarded.

13776 is junior MBE transfer and 13778 is most junior in status on APA site it looks like (as of End of January). Now 13778 is gone for Feb and beyond. If 13776 truly was the bottom it shouldn't have been allowed. Maybe it went through while 13778 was still showing junior pilot so that guy barely snuck in before it was too late? Lucky he made it just in time I guess. He couldn't do it now.

MBE works great if you can hold the spot. More people should use it.

that is the problem right there, you should be shooting in the dark

Can't get it through MBE unless you can actually hold the base by normal means.

There are several roads to Charlotte:


You got the 77 for top to bottom, the 85 for left to right, and the 485 that goes loopity loop. :D

You forgot the 277, but in your defense that really doesn't go anywhere. Actually, that could also be said for the 77 during rush hour......

Per the "Crew age per fleet" on AA pilots, the number of 320 captains in CLT turning 65 over the next five years.

2019. 7
2020. 59
2021. 44
2022. 64
2023. 63

Current active 320 captains in CLT per the APA PBS report, 572. So just under half of the current CLT 320 ca's should retire over the next five years.

I think you’re reading the chart wrong. It’s a rolling chart as of 18 feb. the 7 are 65 and have retired, the 59 will turn 65 before 18 Feb 2020 (so essentially 59 will retire in 2019). So even more will retire than you indicated.

Also there are some older FO’s That will retire as well.

Either way it's not "33% of the 320/CAs retire in 2019."

I bet by end of summer I'll be back on Short Call. Hate to do it but I put my bid in for ORD 73. I gave up making life decisions based on what AMR/ AAG might do a long time ago.

Hopefully the staffing going that direction is better. I have an entitlement to the bus (from the 73), that I will be able to exercise the next vacancy, that would have me based at home.

I asked KB, the guy in charge of Crew Planning if I would be withheld. He actually answered (a miracle in itself recently). He replied, that yes, I would be withheld, for 9-12 months.

So, from a potential new-higher's perspective, one should not expect to see CLT for several years at the very earliest? Am I reading that right?

That’s probably accurate...best guess is 200-250 waiting on CLT. Although they could allow a large number in on a single bid like they just did in PHL which would change things.

Has CLT always been this way or has it gone in waves? I'm a MIL guy with a few years left on the old ADSC so I'm just trying to get a feel for the water at this point. Thanks!

It’s a combination of things...

CLT is the most livable base AA has. Mountains and Beaches within reasonable distance, mild climate, reasonable cost of living and taxes.

Tons of PSA and Piedmont flows live in the area, and legacy AA pilots still changing domiciles and equipment.

Even with significant CLT retirements in the next few years, I would expect CLT to remain a highly desirable more senior base.

Thanks for the info. I'm from that area so hopefully it loosens up a bit by the time I'm ready to punch my ticket. One can dream right? ha

It will ebb and flow, no telling the picture in a few years. You have to take the long view about it. Commuting for a few years is no big deal.

Heck, 4 years ago I couldn’t get out of CLT to PHL for a few bid cycles...

I am leaving NC but for those wanting to stick around, voting has consequences!

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/ne...226142030.html

Is that even legal?

I'm not sure but it gets even better, the council a few days later:

The CMPD actually was in those neighborhoods because they had a higher incidence of DUI related accidents, not because it was a majority illegal population.

And there goes this thread. Freaking politics in everything. Nobody gives a sh!t. Would love to see relevant info on CLT movement.

I have observed that the only relative info is that there is no CLT movement. But I wish there was. I need DFW to be THE jr base.


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CLT took a lot of heat off DFW for seniority but I don't foresee a day when Dallas is the junior base. Just IMO. JFK and MIA suck too much to become senior.

Yeahhhhhh, I know. A fat old guy can dream right?


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Well, technically there IS movement in CLT. It’s just all outbound. :(

You can't make this up.

Where you moving to?

If you're senior to around 13,000 I just want you to know Charlotte is terrible. It's a big dirty stinky city that most people can't stand. Stay away or you will regret it.

Is that reverse psychology or that new thing called sarcasm?:confused: