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Saabs 05-23-2019 06:16 AM
Originally Posted by Erroneous (Post 2824861)
That’d be a stretch. Never flew for Colgan but the Commuter Airline crew room had no option that allowed for sleep where I was at.
Actually we weren’t allowed to turn off the lights / nap in the crew room after the crash to prove to the FAA that we weren’t attempting to get rest in the crew room. She could have napped or gone to a hotel. But it was probably more of a product of her being sick at the time if I had to guess.

Omniscient 05-23-2019 10:15 AM
Originally Posted by Saabs (Post 2824895)
Actually we weren’t allowed to turn off the lights / nap in the crew room after the crash to prove to the FAA that we weren’t attempting to get rest in the crew room. She could have napped or gone to a hotel. But it was probably more of a product of her being sick at the time if I had to guess.
And the fact she made $26/hr as a 2nd year FO. I’m guessing getting a hotel for a few hours wasn’t a financial option

Aviatrx 05-23-2019 11:44 AM
Originally Posted by mainlineAF (Post 2824308)
Yep. If I’m not fatigued I extend. Sometimes we forget there are 200 customers who you are going to strand.

Now come January 1st things may change. But for now I will continue to extend if I am fit.
There are slides in our fatigue training that basically say 13 hours of wakefulness is the equivalent of being too drunk to fly. So if something were to happen on that last segment of your trip, it would be pretty tough for you to argue that you were not fatigued. Do whatever you feel is best, but you might be making a bad decision due to fatigue

Name User 05-23-2019 11:47 AM
Originally Posted by Aviatrx (Post 2825133)
There are slides in our fatigue training that basically say 13 hours of wakefulness is the equivalent of being too drunk to fly. So if something were to happen on that last segment of your trip, it would be pretty tough for you to argue that you were not fatigued. Do whatever you feel is best, but you might be making a bad decision due to fatigue
If that were true everyone would be drunk driving on their way home from work...everyday.

Total BS study IMO.

mainlineAF 05-23-2019 12:52 PM
Originally Posted by Aviatrx (Post 2825133)
There are slides in our fatigue training that basically say 13 hours of wakefulness is the equivalent of being too drunk to fly. So if something were to happen on that last segment of your trip, it would be pretty tough for you to argue that you were not fatigued. Do whatever you feel is best, but you might be making a bad decision due to fatigue


If that was true then commuting would be illegal.

All I’m saying is one is fit for duty then we have an obligation to take care of our passengers.

ShyGuy 05-23-2019 03:41 PM
Originally Posted by Erroneous (Post 2824861)
That’d be a stretch. Never flew for Colgan but the Commuter Airline crew room had no option that allowed for sleep where I was at.
Technically I don't think it was allowed back then either. But both the Colgan accident CA and FO did not have any crashpad in EWR and were known to nap/sleep in the crew room rest areas/sofas.

bigscrillywilli 05-23-2019 04:03 PM
When’s the award come out? Hahahaha

EMBFlyer 05-23-2019 04:32 PM
Reading some of the excuses for extending is scary.

"There is no mission." -Captain Cecil Ewell, Vice President of Flight

DarinFred 05-23-2019 05:17 PM
Originally Posted by mainlineAF (Post 2825165)
If that was true then commuting would be illegal.

All I’m saying is one is fit for duty then we have an obligation to take care of our passengers.
It would be illegal if you signed fit to fly when you weren’t. How many commuters have done that?

OOfff 05-24-2019 06:43 AM
Originally Posted by Aviatrx (Post 2825133)
There are slides in our fatigue training that basically say 13 hours of wakefulness is the equivalent of being too drunk to fly. So if something were to happen on that last segment of your trip, it would be pretty tough for you to argue that you were not fatigued. Do whatever you feel is best, but you might be making a bad decision due to fatigue
Do you commute?


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