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riel39 03-08-2019 04:32 PM

August vacancy
 
48ish CA vacancies: discuss amongst yourselves.

viper548 03-08-2019 05:05 PM

Small compared to the June bid. My prediction- Junior captain on this bid will be senior to the junior guy on the June bid. I'll go with 11,9xx.

Name User 03-08-2019 05:35 PM

Total pilots scheduled

08/2019 - 13420
10/2019 - 13493
01/2020 - 13564

Or roughly 1% growth in pilot ranks. At least it's moving the right direction!

Dobbs18 03-08-2019 06:40 PM

The CLT numbers are discouraging to say the least...544 FOs on June vacancy for Aug, down to 519 on the August vancancy for August. Similar reductions on the CA side too. :eek:

AAL24 03-08-2019 09:04 PM


Originally Posted by Dobbs18 (Post 2778236)
The CLT numbers are discouraging to say the least...544 FOs on June vacancy for Aug, down to 519 on the August vancancy for August. Similar reductions on the CA side too. :eek:

Rudderless ship at this point... We seem to be operating on inertia alone. Delta is growing, United growing, all the LCC's growing. Eagle growing. AAL not so much. They just keep re-arranging the furniture.

OVBIII 03-09-2019 05:57 AM


Originally Posted by AAL24 (Post 2778322)
Rudderless ship at this point... We seem to be operating on inertia alone. Delta is growing, United growing, all the LCC's growing. Eagle growing. AAL not so much. They just keep re-arranging the furniture.

That rug really tied the room together, dude.

nAAtive 03-09-2019 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by viper548 (Post 2778168)
Small compared to the June bid. My prediction- Junior captain on this bid will be senior to the junior guy on the June bid. I'll go with 11,9xx.

It’s only a one month bid.

B757200ER 03-09-2019 08:16 AM

:cool:

Originally Posted by nAAtive (Post 2778483)
It’s only a one month bid.

True; and don't forget almost all remaining DFW/S-80 pilots are getting displaced.

nAAtive 03-09-2019 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by B757200ER (Post 2778533)
:cool:

True; and don't forget almost all remaining DFW/S-80 pilots are getting displaced.

On the next bid most likely not this one.

viper548 03-09-2019 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by nAAtive (Post 2778483)
It’s only a one month bid.

Last one was june, this one is aug. Training to begin in June or July. That sounds like a 2 month bid.

riel39 03-09-2019 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by OVBIII (Post 2778431)
That rug really tied the room together, dude.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man...

OVBIII 03-09-2019 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by riel39 (Post 2778564)
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man...

I still watch that movie and laugh!

riel39 03-09-2019 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by OVBIII (Post 2778627)
I still watch that movie and laugh!

I know, it gets better every time.




Quintana... that creep can roll, man.

Yeah, but he's a pervert, Dude.

8 year olds...

Thedude 03-09-2019 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by Dobbs18 (Post 2778236)
The CLT numbers are discouraging to say the least...544 FOs on June vacancy for Aug, down to 519 on the August vancancy for August. Similar reductions on the CA side too. :eek:

But...but...but... increased block hrs in CLT.

havick206 03-09-2019 02:32 PM


Originally Posted by AAL24 (Post 2778322)
Rudderless ship at this point... We seem to be operating on inertia alone. Delta is growing, United growing, all the LCC's growing. Eagle growing. AAL not so much. They just keep re-arranging the furniture.

Honest question here. Other than shuffling the deck chairs, can Eagle really get any bigger than consolidating the flying from other contract regional carriers due to scope?

Apart from maybe some of the starry eyed young guys joining Eagle, the rest of us here at Eagle would like to see flying return to mainline for obvious reasons.

seafeye 03-09-2019 02:48 PM

Lol. That’s right. Blame the eagle pilots. Because they are the ones that made the decision to take over jetways in Dallas.

(Sarcasm for those that didn’t see it)

izzy 03-09-2019 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by Thedude (Post 2778681)
But...but...but... increased block hrs in CLT.

Average Calendar Day.

B757200ER 03-09-2019 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by nAAtive (Post 2778553)
On the next bid most likely not this one.

Only a handful of Super-80s will be flying in September, and the retirement flight is scheduled for Sept.4th.

jacjetlag 03-09-2019 05:17 PM

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Step into the W/B world as soon as you can.
It's a different airline.

Name User 03-09-2019 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 2778726)
Honest question here. Other than shuffling the deck chairs, can Eagle really get any bigger than consolidating the flying from other contract regional carriers due to scope?

Apart from maybe some of the starry eyed young guys joining Eagle, the rest of us here at Eagle would like to see flying return to mainline for obvious reasons.

Interesting slide

AAL24 03-09-2019 08:10 PM


Originally Posted by seafeye (Post 2778733)
Lol. That’s right. Blame the eagle pilots. Because they are the ones that made the decision to take over jetways in Dallas.

(Sarcasm for those that didn’t see it)

Nobody blames the eagle pilots!

mainlineAF 03-10-2019 01:47 AM


Originally Posted by Name User (Post 2778883)
Interesting slide



I’m guessing that means insourcing from non-wholly owned regionals to mostly wholly-owned regionals unfortunately.

Aviatrx 03-10-2019 04:39 AM


Originally Posted by mainlineAF (Post 2778980)
I’m guessing that means insourcing from non-wholly owned regionals to mostly wholly-owned regionals unfortunately.

This is right. This will not be a sustainable plan though, due to flow through and the hefty retirements at AAL

Andrew_VT 03-10-2019 05:22 AM


Originally Posted by Aviatrx (Post 2778996)
This is right. This will not be a sustainable plan though, due to flow through and the hefty retirements at AAL

It would if they made the only path to mainline going to a wholly owned regional first.

It would suck for the 'Squadron Buddies' but could boost Eagle hiring. Essentially getting a mainline seniority number at the regional level (though not officially) would have huge appeal.

I see this as a sort of nuclear option they could use if regional hiring gets really bad.

Vma214 03-10-2019 06:30 AM


Originally Posted by jacjetlag (Post 2778828)
.
Step into the W/B world as soon as you can.
It's a different airline.

Somebody finally cracked the code.

Cheddar 03-10-2019 08:47 AM

Why is there growth in the DFW/767? We have been above 50% reserves (not that I’m complaining) since last fall.


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flydc 03-10-2019 01:22 PM


Originally Posted by Cheddar (Post 2779143)
Why is there growth in the DFW/767? We have been above 50% reserves (not that I’m complaining) since last fall.

Maybe they’re anticipating some of the S80 displacements will want 767.

Name User 03-10-2019 05:48 PM


Originally Posted by mainlineAF (Post 2778980)
I’m guessing that means insourcing from non-wholly owned regionals to mostly wholly-owned regionals unfortunately.

That's the way I read it as well.

RhinoBallAuto 03-10-2019 06:03 PM


Originally Posted by flydc (Post 2779298)
Maybe they’re anticipating some of the S80 displacements will want 767.

...wouldn't they wait for a displacement bid for that then?

And it doesn't account for growth. Just because 80s are going away doesn't mean 76 will grow in DFW

Name User 03-10-2019 06:12 PM


Originally Posted by RhinoBallAuto (Post 2779519)
...wouldn't they wait for a displacement bid for that then?

And it doesn't account for growth. Just because 80s are going away doesn't mean 76 will grow in DFW

Look at the staffing levels for it. It looks like they are starting to consolidate down to DFW, PHL, and MIA for now. LGA and PHX are shrinking.

redbaronahp 03-10-2019 06:35 PM


Originally Posted by Name User (Post 2779524)
Look at the staffing levels for it. It looks like they are starting to consolidate down to DFW, PHL, and MIA for now. LGA and PHX are shrinking.

Management seems content giving away NYC flying which just baffles my mind. I get it’s expensive but it’s the largest market in the country and they are just giving it to Delta and JetBlue.

Name User 03-10-2019 06:59 PM


Originally Posted by redbaronahp (Post 2779536)
Management seems content giving away NYC flying which just baffles my mind. I get it’s expensive but it’s the largest market in the country and they are just giving it to Delta and JetBlue.

+15 in staffing in LGA between August and October.

I think their hands are mostly tired. In reality JetBlue is a cheaper operator and will beat on price. Delta is, and will always be, the better business carrier.

If you're a leisure traveler, you're taking the cheaper operator with 32" of legroom and free WiFi and TV.

If you're a business traveler, you're taking Delta because of their network and reliability.

We do well in LHR but my big concern is Brexit. Most of the big banks have already started to move to Paris (Delta Skyteam hub). If/when the LHR business market collapses we will probably end up running a small NB fleet there just to say we do. Sad, I know. Unless they can buy up JetBlue slots on the cheap.

I saw this coming when Delta swapped US DCA slots for a ton of LGA stuff. They are five years ahead of every decision we make.

Also long term Delta moves in BOS and JFK are interesting. They are gunning for jetBlue, and attempting to do the same thing in those hubs as they are in SEA. I like jetBlue personally so I hope they can keep them at bay.

redbaronahp 03-10-2019 07:35 PM


Originally Posted by Name User (Post 2779560)
+15 in staffing in LGA between August and October.

I think their hands are mostly tired. In reality JetBlue is a cheaper operator and will beat on price. Delta is, and will always be, the better business carrier.

If you're a leisure traveler, you're taking the cheaper operator with 32" of legroom and free WiFi and TV.

If you're a business traveler, you're taking Delta because of their network and reliability.

We do well in LHR but my big concern is Brexit. Most of the big banks have already started to move to Paris (Delta Skyteam hub). If/when the LHR business market collapses we will probably end up running a small NB fleet there just to say we do. Sad, I know. Unless they can buy up JetBlue slots on the cheap.

I saw this coming when Delta swapped US DCA slots for a ton of LGA stuff. They are five years ahead of every decision we make.

Also long term Delta moves in BOS and JFK are interesting. They are gunning for jetBlue, and attempting to do the same thing in those hubs as they are in SEA. I like jetBlue personally so I hope they can keep them at bay.

Delta management is way ahead of DP’s team when it comes to business decisions. The AA product is far inferior to DL and B6. Our management is failing at providing LCC prices and a quality product. It’s a bad mix of crappy service and not cheap fares. Oasis interiors are the worst.

Sandwich Artist 03-10-2019 08:43 PM


Originally Posted by redbaronahp (Post 2779583)
Delta management is way ahead of DP’s team when it comes to business decisions. The AA product is far inferior to DL and B6. Our management is failing at providing LCC prices and a quality product. It’s a bad mix of crappy service and not cheap fares. Oasis interiors are the worst.

I thought you quit AA for FedEx?

B757200ER 03-11-2019 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by redbaronahp (Post 2779536)
Management seems content giving away NYC flying which just baffles my mind. I get it’s expensive but it’s the largest market in the country and they are just giving it to Delta and JetBlue.

It's because they've chosen PHL in the northeast, and JFK has become redundant. I'm not saying I agree, but they're obviously going to grow PHL and shrink NYC flying.

AA has gone thru similar downsizing, such as giving away SJC hub-and-spoke to Reno, then buying Reno, then dismantling the hub in SJC. Other airlines, like SWA, moved in.

mainlineAF 03-11-2019 08:29 AM


Originally Posted by redbaronahp (Post 2779536)
Management seems content giving away NYC flying which just baffles my mind. I get it’s expensive but it’s the largest market in the country and they are just giving it to Delta and JetBlue.



It wasn’t just decided to “give up” NYC. Management has said this multiple times. There’s 3 main reasons why

-us/dl slot swap in 2011/12 timeframe left the combined AA at a large disadvantage
-NYC is hyper competitive and slot controlled. DL and JB have a much bigger presence and there’s no way to increase connecting traffic
-PHL being an hour away and already a bigger European gateway is the final straw as to why NYC is now strictly an O and D/ business market

Cheddar 03-11-2019 09:11 AM


Originally Posted by flydc (Post 2779298)
Maybe they’re anticipating some of the S80 displacements will want 767.



That doesn’t account for the growth... I understand the consolidation aspect, but the PHX jets are going away as soon as the Neo’s arrive there. As far as the JFK iron, I thought PHL would absorb that flying and test out other soft European markets.

We are just doing LIM and hub turns DFW. The hub turns can easily be done with the 321 as the 757 is doing most of those.

Maybe we don’t have enough 321’s?



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AAfng 03-11-2019 11:23 AM


Originally Posted by Sandwich Artist (Post 2779622)
I thought you quit AA for FedEx?

He probably hates it at Fedex and is questioning his decision (but is stuck now at FedEx) so he comes on here to make himself feel better by digging on American.

jcountry 03-11-2019 06:18 PM

I don’t understand why we have so little movement.

Other airlines have far fewer retirements and 10x the upgrades.

It’s a real headscratcher.....

PRS Guitars 03-11-2019 06:42 PM

Nothing to see here, they just want to reduce training in the summer. Pretty sure other airlines do this too. Expect large fall through spring bids.


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