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Originally Posted by DarinFred (Post 2839438)

You wonder why every other work group here hates us. We, as pilots, have more in common with these “unskilled” workers than those in management.

“Hey, uneducated ramper, I don’t support your cause to get a better contract because I think your job can be eliminated so I can get paid more.”

Stupid and short sighted because you know when they are gone, that’s one less level hurdle to have our jobs out sourced.

I don't really care what other work gro...I mean "team members" think of us. I mean it doesn't bother me in the slightest. I'm not here to make ramp buddy friends. I'm not saying it's ok to be a dick, but the kumbaya hand holding diverse opinion sharing that other team members do on a daily basis to "collaborate" is not how the operation needs to be run. It takes decisions that are at times unpopular in order to facilitate getting things done. It's not the military but is run in a similar fashion. Except the CA has no direct authority over his reports.

We tell other team members to do things, of course they dislike us. Just like most people dislike bosses that make them work. Cry me a river. Yes some pilots are jackasses and talk down to our "team members", yes it's uncalled for. I have seen hands down the nicest CA fuming mad at the ground crew, although they were not doing their jobs which is why they become irate. I can't make excuses for that - none exist.

Overall we all should share the same goals - on time flights for our customers and efficient operations. But each team member work group is fractured and is managed like a dictatorship with martial law and under duress to do their jobs. It's all negative reinforcement not positive.

As far as outsourcing us the company would save a little. But our pay is in line with other pilot groups (even the ULCC). And if you take the $/seat we are in line with even the RJs. Now, our ground crews on the other hand make 50% more than their counterparts at Envoy and the ULCC. The other larger legacy carriers pay about the same but have far fewer jobs.