Originally Posted by GucciBoy (Post 2904352)

These are the people protecting you and your family. Take a step back and think about that before you insult their character for “taking” a job from a non-mil pilot. For every Guard/Reserve pilot willing to forego the much better lifestyle of an airline pilot to continue to serve, the retention of their seniority and a military retirement are the least you can do to say thanks.


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Originally Posted by AAfng (Post 2905164)

Retired guard guy here. It is a racket to do indoc and then “poof” disappear for a couple of years to avoid first yr pay/build seniority. Not sure how you can even stop it but its a racket for sure. These guys arr not deploying overseas, they are hanging out at the unit. Once again, stupid conversation because how do you stop it?

Originally Posted by Floobs (Post 2905094)

Protecting from what?

Originally Posted by GucciBoy (Post 2905317)

A person that would ask this question would logically be in favor of dissolving the military. Are you that person?


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Originally Posted by Varsity (Post 2905331)

In most western countries people realize the military has become political enforcement tool, and the USA is probably the poster child.

Originally Posted by GucciBoy (Post 2905336)

So you are saying the military offers no protection to the nation and it’s populace? Because when you read your post and the previous post I replied to, that’s what it sounds like you’re saying.


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Originally Posted by AverageCoffee (Post 2905216)

A fair amount of the Air Force pilots in class openly talked about when to “drop orders”. Reasons ranged from the already stated- not sitting reserve, commuting, or until seniority could hold PHX...

It’s absolutely their right but other pilots are allowed to have an opinion on it.

I’m guessing there are other places to ask this question other than a public forum.

Originally Posted by hindsight2020 (Post 2905396)

Indeed. Look, basically people are speaking the quiet parts out loud in here, and some are gonna get miffed about it. It's not that surprising, in what is essentially is a MLOA echo chamber.



It's an open secret, it's discussed widely in reserve circles, and I personally have no particular motivation to put effort in ensuring civi only pilots never become aware of the practice. It's a legal loophole plain and simple, and good bad or indifferent, it's the law. But as you said, people should also have the freedom to be critical of it without being accused of lack of patriotism. I'll be the first one to push back on that "you can't be critical of the military as a civilian" canard.



On a personal level, the one thing I have the most objection to is the VA disability payment and rating abuse. This encompasses more than pilots mind you, it's an at-large national problem imo but I digress.



I do think current MLOA benefit retainment allowances is ripe for abuse; it is abused, and it's legal. That's my opinion of course, which doesn't matter. For whatever it's worth, there are other ways of splitting the middle on this issue without throwing the baby out with the bathwater. IMO, if USERRA protected seniority accrual, but did not protect longevity pay accrual, this problem would vanish overnight. I think that would be a reasonable compromise. I can hear the blood curling screech from the MLOA bat caves though. Not my fight, just saying there's other ways to do this without creating polarization. To each their own.