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Erroneous 10-25-2019 05:05 AM


Originally Posted by FlyyGuyy (Post 2912167)
There's a plan for another parallel East of 18L, behind Wilson etc. Dunno the timeframe

If ATC can’t figure out how to de conflict all RJ arrivals/departures to the East runway now I don’t see how this will help be overly helpful.

Edit: It will help moving more aircraft but won’t help the poor ramp control who has put planes nose to nose. Not pretty.

AZFlyer 10-25-2019 05:20 AM

If they end up with anything like this, it would be an improvement. They're really going to need to find a way to move people across these long distances more quickly as these concourses expand. Even a bus system like PHL has would be better than nothing. I wouldn't expect to see any kind of train/people mover system.

At any rate, this is years and years down the road. So, the suck is going to be with us for a while yet.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f6/ce...2387dbe4e4.jpg

TallFlyer 10-25-2019 05:49 AM


Originally Posted by Erroneous (Post 2912293)
If ATC can’t figure out how to de conflict all RJ arrivals/departures to the East runway now I don’t see how this will help be overly helpful.



Edit: It will help moving more aircraft but won’t help the poor ramp control who has put planes nose to nose. Not pretty.



A lot of truth to that. They could make that ramp a lot less crowded with a better set of departures and arrivals.

That said, fuel burns would probably go up a bit, so maybe our corporate overlords aren’t too interested. At the same time, our flight ops has us going everywhere at .79, so maybe IDGAF about fuel is in effect.


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TallFlyer 10-25-2019 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by AZFlyer (Post 2912304)
If they end up with anything like this, it would be an improvement. They're really going to need to find a way to move people across these long distances more quickly as these concourses expand. Even a bus system like PHL has would be better than nothing. I wouldn't expect to see any kind of train/people mover system.



At any rate, this is years and years down the road. So, the suck is going to be with us for a while yet.



https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f6/ce...2387dbe4e4.jpg



Wow. Almost looks like the bastard love child of CLT, IAD, and ATL.

Edit: Upon closer inspection, this seems to indicate they’d be getting rid of the entire current E Concourse, which I think is unlikely any time in the next 10-15 years based on all the money they’re spending on it.

Source?


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TallFlyer 10-25-2019 06:09 AM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2912252)
That’s news to me. I’d settle for some lead-off lights for all the high speeds.



Some google-fu a while back found a 200+ page planning document from Mecklenburg County with all the details. I’ll see if I can find it......


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AZFlyer 10-25-2019 06:36 AM


Originally Posted by TallFlyer (Post 2912320)
Wow. Almost looks like the bastard love child of CLT, IAD, and ATL.

Edit: Upon closer inspection, this seems to indicate they’d be getting rid of the entire current E Concourse, which I think is unlikely any time in the next 10-15 years based on all the money they’re spending on it.

Source?


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I agree that it isn't likely they'll tear down the E con that they've been working on, but then again, by the time such a large undertaking is ready to commence, it could make sense to do it. But who knows. The as yet to be completed expansion of the current E-con isn't going to make taxiing around the top any better, but it will improve the chaos inside the building as those end gates finally get their own space and jetways.

I found that image via google while searching for the CLT airport master plan, which is here: http://www.charlotteairport.com/Abou...0-%20FINAL.pdf

There are lots of different proposed expansions and developments for the airport shown in the master plan, with the one I posted above just being one of them.

ACEssXfer 10-25-2019 07:26 AM

A lot of the ground congestion in CLT could be cleaned up by ATC not being stubborn and lazy. Especially during north operations.

TallFlyer 10-25-2019 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by ACEssXfer (Post 2912387)
A lot of the ground congestion in CLT could be cleaned up by ATC not being stubborn and lazy. Especially during north operations.



Yep. Just blocked in to E30 after a 28 min taxi in from 36L. Part of that was spent sitting at 23S watching a dozen RJs go past headed to departures off of 36R and 36C


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Name User 10-25-2019 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by TallFlyer (Post 2912412)
Yep. Just blocked in to E30 after a 28 min taxi in from 36L. Part of that was spent sitting at 23S watching a dozen RJs go past headed to departures off of 36R and 36C


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If there are serious about CLT not being a clustermuck they should design it like this.

Three East/west main terminals with people movers up and down them and a bridge (in green) across them like DEN has. Or you could make an underground tram like ATL, PIT, DEN etc but that would be a lot more money for not that much time saved. Build the bridge first then work on the tunnel.

This would allow flow to/from gates without being backed into an alley and both sides to get pushed as once with additional traffic taxing by. Also it would allow expansion if required of another additional terminal down the line.

AZFlyer 10-25-2019 11:34 AM


Originally Posted by Name User (Post 2912470)
If there are serious about CLT not being a clustermuck they should design it like this.

Three East/west main terminals with people movers up and down them and a bridge (in green) across them like DEN has. Or you could make an underground tram like ATL, PIT, DEN etc but that would be a lot more money for not that much time saved. Build the bridge first then work on the tunnel.

This would allow flow to/from gates without being backed into an alley and both sides to get pushed as once with additional traffic taxing by. Also it would allow expansion if required of another additional terminal down the line.

That design looks like it would still have the problem of aircraft being trapped around the top of the concourse like exists with the current E-con, forcing massive taxi delays as they run traffic one direction at a time.

A satellite terminal or two would be beneficial for sure.


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