67,68, or even 70
#31
But you need the rest of the story...
Average life expectancy was HIGHLY skewed by infant/youth mortality back then (especially from all those diseases the anti-vaxers are working so hard to bring back).
If you actually survived long enough to pay into SS, odds are good you'd collect. Healthy adults didn't keel over dead at 45 much more frequently than they do now. Many of them actually got quite a lot of exercise and ate organic (if fat-heavy) foods. Google the founding fathers... on average their life spans were closer to 70 than 40.
Average life expectancy was HIGHLY skewed by infant/youth mortality back then (especially from all those diseases the anti-vaxers are working so hard to bring back).
If you actually survived long enough to pay into SS, odds are good you'd collect. Healthy adults didn't keel over dead at 45 much more frequently than they do now. Many of them actually got quite a lot of exercise and ate organic (if fat-heavy) foods. Google the founding fathers... on average their life spans were closer to 70 than 40.
Although neither of my grandfathers lived long enough to collect a penny. Socio Economically, they were no where near the founding fathers. All my grandparents died broke, my parents had to support them in their old age. The same with my support of my parents. I am the first generation to be financially secure.
Nor were they well educated. The median education was through 5th grade. Not a one graduated high school. Of their brothers and sisters, 10% died infant / childhood mortality.
I don’t think they were that atypical of those older workers retiring in the 1930s. YMMV
My grandmother on my dad’s side went through 3rd grade and never learned to drive. She thought I had lost my mind when I said I was going to high school. She confirmed that I had lost it when I got my bachelor’s degree. Just shook her head when I got my masters, and muttered what a stupid, stupid thing to do.
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Perhaps, but That should be my and no one else’s call. Secondly, you have no idea what circumstances someone has to consider before making that decision. For both of us it’s about seniority and to turn it into anything else is a false argument. The law will be the ultimate authority and hopefully it will be a logical and not emotional decision.
#33
Two thoughts:
First, I've recently flown with several captains who were months, (or weeks) away from retiring at age 65. Physically, they were fine but mentally,...… they were not sharp. The synapsis weren't firing like they should and it was obvious. These guys should be easily be able to pass a Class I physical until at least age 70, but there's no accounting for normal age-related mental decline during the exam. Plaque builds up in the brain over time and the EKG won't detect it.
Secondly, airline management is not going to support extending the mandatory retirement age as long as they can get rid of a guy at the top of the pay scale and replace him with a guy who's closer to the bottom of the pay scale. When airline management uses their money and political clout to lobby for an increase in the mandatory retirement age,...…. THAT'S when we know that their is truly a pilot shortage.
First, I've recently flown with several captains who were months, (or weeks) away from retiring at age 65. Physically, they were fine but mentally,...… they were not sharp. The synapsis weren't firing like they should and it was obvious. These guys should be easily be able to pass a Class I physical until at least age 70, but there's no accounting for normal age-related mental decline during the exam. Plaque builds up in the brain over time and the EKG won't detect it.
Secondly, airline management is not going to support extending the mandatory retirement age as long as they can get rid of a guy at the top of the pay scale and replace him with a guy who's closer to the bottom of the pay scale. When airline management uses their money and political clout to lobby for an increase in the mandatory retirement age,...…. THAT'S when we know that their is truly a pilot shortage.
#34
These elder statesman should be required to pass the CogScreen AE every 6 months after the age of 65. Cognitive abilities (and physical) decrease exponentially above 65.
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I call B.S. on this theory. You're going to benefit from the age change just like the older guys. You just want to steal their seniority because you want it NOW.
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#36
The synapsis weren't firing like they should and it was obvious. These guys should be easily be able to pass a Class I physical until at least age 70, but there's no accounting for normal age-related mental decline during the exam. Plaque builds up in the brain over time and the EKG won't detect it.
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Not everyone wants to work until they drop over (or as you say “benefit”).
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Speak for yourself. I won't benefit from an age change because there is no way I want to work past 65.
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