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AboveAndBeyond 01-14-2020 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 2956727)
Are you serious? The USAF was in the process of sending him to instruct brand new second lieutenants in jets. He was going to get three landings (or quite likely a takeoff, a landing, and two touch and goes) for currency, four days to read the training syllabus, and be back at work on Monday. as a supervisor.

Any regional - decent or otherwise - will fall all over themselves to hire him, even knowing he’ll probably be gone before he’s off probation. Compared to everyone else they’ve got coming in the door he is as close to a zero training risk as they’ve seen in a damn long time...

The failure and washout rate for guys like this are actually pretty high at the regionals. Especially if they haven't flown in several years. They usually don't make it to the sims. Training at the regionals are not at all like mainline training.

dera 01-14-2020 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by AboveAndBeyond (Post 2956780)
The failure and washout rate for guys like this are actually pretty high at the regionals. Especially if they haven't flown in several years. They usually don't make it to the sims. Training at the regionals are not at all like mainline training.

This. The only guy who washed out from my new hire class never made it to the sims. And he was a 1* General.

Covfefe 01-14-2020 03:11 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2956783)
This. The only guy who washed out from my new hire class never made it to the sims. And he was a 1* General.

Fake news. About half of the O6’s out there are horrible pilots, and almost everyone above that rank. They are all company guys who never deployed and sat at a desk being an E level qual. Your average crew dog that ended their career on a 5yr staff tour is likely still a solid pilot. I find it extremely hard to believe that a retired mil pilot would wash out of regional training these days (staff POGs excluded).

Gone Flying 01-14-2020 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by Covfefe (Post 2956799)
Fake news. About half of the O6’s out there are horrible pilots, and almost everyone above that rank. They are all company guys who never deployed and sat at a desk being an E level qual. Your average crew dog that ended their career on a 5yr staff tour is likely still a solid pilot. I find it extremely hard to believe that a retired mil pilot would wash out of regional training these days (staff POGs excluded).

only guy to bust the checkride in my regional NH class was a non current fighter pilot (unsure of rank but I'd imagine O5 ish) it does happen. to the OP, at OO classes are a few months out. they will probably offer you an interview but class most likely would not be immediate FWIW. Best of luck

dera 01-14-2020 06:03 PM


Originally Posted by Covfefe (Post 2956799)
Fake news. About half of the O6’s out there are horrible pilots, and almost everyone above that rank. They are all company guys who never deployed and sat at a desk being an E level qual. Your average crew dog that ended their career on a 5yr staff tour is likely still a solid pilot. I find it extremely hard to believe that a retired mil pilot would wash out of regional training these days (staff POGs excluded).

Just facts, not fake news. He never made it to the sims. All about his attitude. He expected the company to teach you what you need to know. That's not how it works at regionals.

Covfefe 01-14-2020 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 2956928)
only guy to bust the checkride in my regional NH class was a non current fighter pilot (unsure of rank but I'd imagine O5 ish) it does happen. to the OP, at OO classes are a few months out. they will probably offer you an interview but class most likely would not be immediate FWIW. Best of luck

nobody likes fighter guys, so that doesn’t count. ;)

yardstick 01-14-2020 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2956930)
Just facts, not fake news. He never made it to the sims. All about his attitude. He expected the company to teach you what you need to know. That's not how it works at regionals.

sounds like an Air Force guy who expects everything spoon fed to them. Most likely wouldn’t happen to navy dudes, they are much more attuned to the big boy program without any handholding

Covfefe 01-14-2020 06:53 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2956930)
Just facts, not fake news. He never made it to the sims. All about his attitude. He expected the company to teach you what you need to know. That's not how it works at regionals.

Attitude and airmanship are entirely different things... in the case you mention, I’m in complete agreement... if you can’t be a good dude/chick, then it doesn’t matter what type of stick you are, I don’t want you around. But the point I’m making is that a mil pilot (or civ for that matter) being out of the cockpit for 5 years should be a non issue unless they were a shtty pilot in the first place. That’s possible with any background. I’m proof. :)

dera 01-14-2020 08:38 PM


Originally Posted by Covfefe (Post 2956956)
Attitude and airmanship are entirely different things... in the case you mention, I’m in complete agreement... if you can’t be a good dude/chick, then it doesn’t matter what type of stick you are, I don’t want you around. But the point I’m making is that a mil pilot (or civ for that matter) being out of the cockpit for 5 years should be a non issue unless they were a shtty pilot in the first place. That’s possible with any background. I’m proof. :)

I'm with you. I think flying is like riding a bike. The fundamental skills don't disappear. You might be rusty, but getting back up to speed won't take long.

That is not the problem with a lot of mil guys. They are a training risk because of their attitude, not aptitude. Happens more often at the regional level than you'd think. My comment was in response to someone who said mil guys are "close to a zero training risk".

At my regional, we have more year 1 washouts from military than civilian backgrounds. Granted, a lot of them are rotary, but it's mostly attitude towards studying rather than actual skills to fly a plane.

AverageCoffee 01-15-2020 04:10 AM

I interviewed at AA with a former F-14 pilot who had been at a desk in the Pentagon until he got 20 years... he was the first one hired.


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