Taking a voluntary leave
 

Got a friend who is right on the cut off for furlough and has a job offer at a corporate flight department. Is there a provision in the AA union contract to take a leave of absence?
Outside of what’s currently available for bidding.

Even if he gets granted a leave, per the contract, he would have to get permission from the company to do any outside flying. If furloughed, then there is no restriction. But on leave, permission is required.

where’s the cutoff for a furlough?

asking for a friend.

If you have to ask, you didn’t make the cutoff.


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Hahahaha love it

pretty sure this isn’t correct?

Section 11, B. 7:
A pilot on leave shall not, without prior written permission of the Company, engage in aviation employment, and in no case shall engage in employment, the nature of which may bring discredit upon the Company.

Thanks for the responses so far. He’s right around 11k I believe. So fairly close given the projected numbers. I want to hire him into the flight department I manage so we are trying to figure out if there any personal leave type options he can take. The airline I was at many moons ago had these options built into the contract.

I don’t think your friend understands the projected numbers.

Doesn’t sound bright in general

He may wanna look at the numbers again.

An official seniority number of 11,000 would mean he has almost 4500 pilots below him on the list...

I would have them speak to their chief pilot and union rep. I think leaves will open every month for a while.

But there could be many reasons for taking a leave, especially if they can come back.

Many LUS took an open ended leave around 2002 and went to JetBlue. Missed LOA 93 and various displacements and then came back to AA. Several around 50-60% of the list.

Everyone’s priorities are different and no harm in looking at options. Especially if the door is open to coming back.

I’m guessing you mean relative number of 11k which would be around 13k seniority number? He should talk to the union first, then a CP.

I may be wrong on this but I thought the guidance for outside flying was covered in the LOA and was different than what is in the contract. I am trying to find the reference for this.

I’ve heard they’ve actually turned down some of the unpaid leave guys, I wonder why, if true. Maybe they want everybody to stay current in event of a rapid recall?


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Any ideas how you can look up your relative sensory number? I’ve tried 3XP on alliedpilots with ALL selected in all catagories. Coming up with some weird a$$ number(s). Does the seniority number include pilots on disability or MIL leave?

Thanks everyone. I passed on the advice to talk to his union rep and the CP office. What he said was the forecast from the bid was 10800 pilots by next summer and he’s sitting at 11xxx.

Where is he getting the 11,XXX..

2019 July’s seniority?

If he’s 11,xxx on the July 2019 seniorty list he’s 1600* number senior today.

This is painful, your buddy doesn’t know who will be furloughed. Next summer’s estimate shows a 1600 surplus, lots of variables between now and then. Have him engage them company to get released to fly for you.


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I’m not really sure where he got the number. His words were “I’m 11xxx right now and by summer of next year we’ll be at 10xxx”
He’s been at American for over four years.

That’s the hope. I’m trying to help him figure it out. My ten years in 121 was a long time ago so I’m trying to make sure I’m not giving bad advice. Contracts change etc.
It’s a big decision as it means moving across the country and all that entails.

Im guessing your buddy will be okay with 4+ years of seniority.. maybe not based or flying what he wants but he’ll have a job. Again.. not sure where he’s getting the 11xxx number

As of July 2019

01/2014 hire is a 11,4xx
01/2015 hire is a 12,1xx (mostly recalls)
01/2016 hire is a 12,4xx (mostly recalls)
01/2017 hire is a 12,8xx

I don’t think anyone knows what the future holds.

Thanks 101! That helps me understand him a bit better.