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Al Czervik 09-21-2020 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Dobbs18 (Post 3132966)
is this true? Can you elaborate on your numbers a little? Thanks...not trying to be a dick, just genuinely curious.


Initially company said demand would be
20% fall
40% Jan
60% spring
80% summer 21

I can’t find the reference.

Dobbs18 09-21-2020 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 3133009)
Initially company said demand would be
20% fall
40% Jan
60% spring
80% summer 21

I can’t find the reference.

where did you see we are already at 40%?

Name User 09-21-2020 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 3133009)
Initially company said demand would be
20% fall
40% Jan
60% spring
80% summer 21

I can’t find the reference.

I think that is true and comes from one of the earnings reports. Although I thought it was 20% summer, 40% fall, 60% winter, 80% spring maybe? I think we are behind their predictions as traffic has plateaued.

The one caveat is that it was revenue, not demand, which are two different things. We are at 50% demand but 25% of revenue as of a few days ago.

Al Czervik 09-21-2020 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dobbs18 (Post 3133087)
where did you see we are already at 40%?


Most recent Push to talk episode.

Name User 09-21-2020 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 3133267)
Most recent Push to talk episode.

Those were pax numbers not revenue. Isom quoted the schedule/revenue in a crew news last week.

Al Czervik 09-21-2020 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Name User (Post 3133277)
Those were pax numbers not revenue. Isom quoted the schedule/revenue in a crew news last week.


Right. Demand not revenue

Name User 09-21-2020 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 3133280)
Right. Demand not revenue

Their 20/40/60/80 was revenue numbers not demand IIRC. So not relevant to how many flight/pax we fly every day.

We could have 100% demand but 0% revenue. That doesn't help us.

DTswiss1100 09-22-2020 12:58 PM

....delete

Halon1211 09-26-2020 09:03 AM

Did you guys just get that email? I am for sure a yes voter!!! I think that video the union put together will help convince y’all too!

https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ

HulkaBurger 09-26-2020 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3136067)
Did you guys just get that email? I am for sure a yes voter!!! I think that video the union put together will help convince y’all too!

https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ

Let's see. You've tried this in the Envoy forum, the jetBlue forum and now the American forum with hopes to entice someone to click on a Rick Rolled video.

Recess is over. Your 7th grade teacher is calling you back to class 🙄

Halon1211 09-26-2020 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HulkaBurger (Post 3136075)
Let's see. You've tried this in the Envoy forum, the jetBlue forum and now the American forum with hopes to entice someone to click on a Rick Rolled video.

Recess is over. Your 7th grade teacher is calling you back to class 🙄

dang...buzz kill by the internet police!

HulkaBurger 09-26-2020 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3136080)
dang...buzz kill by the internet police!

Try something a little more original then.

That was only moderately funny 30 years ago.

Then again, I thought my comment that drinking too much Kool Aid could cause acute pelvic discomfort was funny. I guess it was only funny to me. 😁

Huell 09-27-2020 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HulkaBurger (Post 3136083)
Try something a little more original then.

That was only moderately funny 30 years ago.

Then again, I thought my comment that drinking too much Kool Aid could cause acute pelvic discomfort was funny. I guess it was only funny to me. 😁

Reference to Kool Aid was only moderately funny 42 years ago. Jim Jones and all ... just sayin.

Seneca Pilot 09-27-2020 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huell (Post 3136605)
Reference to Kool Aid was only moderately funny 42 years ago. Jim Jones and all ... just sayin.

I thought that was Tang.

AllYourBaseAreB 09-27-2020 08:06 PM

Flavoraid
....

TransWorld 09-27-2020 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot (Post 3136705)
I thought that was Tang.

Nope, that was John Glenn.

neverposts 09-27-2020 09:45 PM

Reference to Kool Aid

Technically it was grape aid but nobody here wants to do even a little bit of research. -.-

AllYourBaseAreB 09-28-2020 06:21 AM

“Flavor-aid” grape flavor.

HulkaBurger 09-28-2020 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huell (Post 3136605)
Reference to Kool Aid was only moderately funny 42 years ago. Jim Jones and all ... just sayin.

I wasn't the one who referenced it. I quoted someone else.

Just sayin'🙄

Huell 09-29-2020 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot (Post 3136705)
I thought that was Tang.

“Drink the kool aid children; Drink the kool aid”

FlyyGuyy 09-29-2020 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huell (Post 3137528)
“Drink the kool aid children; Drink the kool aid”

i prefer whiskey, though with furlough looming it looks like I'm going back to natural light for now. Maybe I'll black out for a few years until it's over. Like college.

MEFLIGHT 10-07-2020 11:30 AM

Looks like some pilots is avoiding furlough based on the last adjustments for early out.
They're getting ZTL for November. Congratulations!

ERAUAV8TR 10-07-2020 11:52 AM

How many on zero time lines?

MEFLIGHT 10-07-2020 12:28 PM

Not sure I but it should be equal to the number of early out awarded on the last round. Between 100 and 200 pilots.

ACEssXfer 10-08-2020 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MEFLIGHT (Post 3141732)
Not sure I but it should be equal to the number of early out awarded on the last round. Between 100 and 200 pilots.

To further this there should be an equal number of pilots going from AML/ZTL to active and ZTL to AML. The early out should be creating PAID POSITIONS. Hopefully APA is on top of it.

ChickHicks 10-08-2020 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ACEssXfer (Post 3142045)
Hopefully APA is on top of it.

hehe...that made me chuckle 😂

TankerDriver 10-08-2020 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MEFLIGHT (Post 3141732)
Not sure I but it should be equal to the number of early out awarded on the last round. Between 100 and 200 pilots.

Recent email from APA says 105 additional ZTL's.

jacinth 10-13-2020 09:30 AM

Just curious, have you guys had any VEOPs through this whole thing?

Seneca Pilot 10-13-2020 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyyGuyy (Post 3137625)
i prefer whiskey, though with furlough looming it looks like I'm going back to natural light for now. Maybe I'll black out for a few years until it's over. Like college.


Well you just came off my list for Supreme Court justice.:p

FlyyGuyy 10-13-2020 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot (Post 3144654)
Well you just came off my list for Supreme Court justice.:p

Was there something else I was supposed to do during college?

Yankenbank 10-13-2020 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ACEssXfer (Post 3142045)
To further this there should be an equal number of pilots going from AML/ZTL to active and ZTL to AML. The early out should be creating PAID POSITIONS. Hopefully APA is on top of it.

100% Agreed. WTF is wrong with our leadership thinking it is okay to take Early Outs and turn them to garbage ZTL’s!?🤯


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