Haha...with the way this place runs, it’ll probably be June 11, 2021

Well that’s one way to prevent furloughs lol.

Only 5 takers of the latest round of early retirements for July. Mostly PHL and CLT 330 and 767 pilots.

To correct an earlier post, here is the scenario if they offer another round of early retirements effective August:
For example:
If a junior A330 CA gets bumped down to A320 CA on this September bid, (results due out June 11) and if they are offered another round of early retirements effective August, then then would retire at the higher pay A330 rate. This is straight from APA rep.

However, August is going to be the last chance.

A330/777/787 CA at $342/hour at 50 hrs month (early retirement package) = $17,100 per month
A320/737 CA at $278/hour at 85 hrs per month (staying active) = $23,630

In other words, if they hang around, they are working the first 61.5 hours of the month for free.

Just curious where did you see only 5? I haven’t seen an email or an award.

Aapilots has it..

2 - 330 CA CLT
2 - 330 FO PHL
1 - 767 CA PHL

Yeah I found it after I asked thanks. It will be interesting to see if they give them a chance to bail before their new effective date.

Was it only 5 takers, or only 5 awarded? I thought more than that wanted it and were not awarded.

Rumor is only 5 wanted it

I wouldn't be surprised if some are waiting to be awarded Group 4 pay on the current displacement, so they can punch out on VPLOA at that pay rate.

Speaking of early retirements......


https://viewfromthewing.com/american...support-staff/


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There are guys posting on The Line that they put in for it and didn't get it.

If they’re not getting displaced they’re going to have a hard time getting a vacancy even if they are super senior.

same reason AA cant go to the FAs and say "pilots have to retire at 65 so do you"

they were guys on the 777 and 320. Those guys were not offered VPLOA this round

Gotcha, thanks.

Besides recurrent and transition training I don’t see much training in our future. How many instructors do we have between pilot and FA? What about at our 3 regionals? Pilot and FA recruitment/hiring department? I would bet those are the positions the article addresses.

Can’t speak for the other WOs, but at PSA Sim guys are all seniority list, and are back on the line, with quite a few bidding reserve and using their seniority to avoid flying.


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Good luck to them. I swear PSA made it a mission to fly you every available day and if you are in CLT don’t forget sitting hot everyday. This will mostly hit DAY as a lot of the ground instructors are not seniority list pilots.

This bid will generate a massive amount of training. The A320 department projected needing 20 more CKA, but holding off due to budget and the inability to train new CKA due to limited number of people in the sim.

Wonder how many, if any, upgrades there will be as a result of preference. I’m assuming most will be filled by displacement.

Most AA ground and sim instructors (LCK) are not active pilots. Rumor has it most instructors at PSA are pilot who didn’t make it through training, is that true?

FTCI(ground school) and SIMP (sim pilots that can do some initial training and RTS day of CQT) are non-seniority list pilots. All X type (sim and line) and L type(line only) check airman are on the seniority list and union eligible.

Thanks.. was supposed to say (Not CKA).

really, seniority has been useless. Although if there are 124 available reserves that works a bit better

Glass is always half empty huh??
You bid a 90 hour line to complain about working 80 hours for free and the last 10 hours is a killer hourly rate?

These guys stick around and make an extra $6,500 per month and you bad mouth them. Lets see if the shoe fits!

At PSA ground instructors (specifically cockpit procedure trainer instructors) can often times be pilots that didn’t make it though.

Last time I went through recurrent ground it was a former PSA pilot who went to mainline, then had a medical event, and PSA hired him back for CLT ground schools.

Sim guys are all seniority list, and are paid decently, though many are back on the line now for obvious reasons.


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That must be new, about 2 years ago I looked at Sim Instructor jobs at AA and PSA. I had lost my medical while at NetJets in 2017 and was retired USAirways/AA. I had experience on the A320 and the CRJ200 when on "flow down" at Mesa. Actually went to DFW to interview and fly the A320 Sim. But I found out my PBGC retirement would be frozen if I worked for AA or a wholly owned. PSA was advertising for Sim Instructors in CLT but they required previous 121 Sim Instructor time and I didn't have that so didn't bother to apply. I was surprised PSA had more stringent requirements to apply than AA did but then I realized PSA was probably more challenging since the washout rate was a lot higher than mainline. I'd be teaching guys who never flew turbine before.

They hire guys that teach in the sim but don’t do IOE right away. They are on the seniority list and can do IOE in the future workload permitting.

Don’t sweat it. R57 gets a little bossy at times.

Hahaha, I noticed.