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dera 07-26-2022 08:27 PM


Originally Posted by El Peso (Post 3467549)
You bring up quality of life and pay then don’t understand why we push back on your claims about about quality of life and pay. You’re a fool. Just understand that.

I believe it was you who brought up that comparison. Nice try. Remember, "Atlas pilot" and "not worthy of comments about careers".
Especially when it was your reply to something completely irrelevant to this thread.
Short memory you have.

dera 07-26-2022 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by send a check (Post 3467536)
I try not to post on here (APC) but I like to keep up on the rumor’s and this is the place to do it.

I am in complete agreement with you Mr. Rroku.

Mr Dera; you left one of the WO’s and found time off and money on another path. That is wonderful and it seems to me that you are very happy with your decision. Maybe it’s time to enjoy that decision and not look back.

To a small extent I enjoy the financial analysis of you Mr. Excargodog and Mr. Dera. I like data for data’s sake. You both make good arguments and appear to have a solid grasp of corporate debt and the downstream implications of the inflation and interest scissors that appear to be coming. I’m not sure how AA is going to get out of this particular pickle either. There is a greater then 50% chance that your predictions will be accurate the way I see it. I sincerely hope we are wrong!!

But good grief; unless you are shorting the stock and the data is a byproduct of those efforts then what is the point?? Trying to convince stranger’s on the Internet of ANYTHING is a fools errand. To come over here and urinate on the rank and file Joe’s and Jane’s with your endless graph’s and predictions (all quite possibly accurate) is something I find hard to grasp. My question would be “what’s in it for you”.

No need to respond to that question because I don’t care that much. I’m embarrassed for getting into this particular circus in the first place. I really should know better!!

I flowed to AA. I’m very new. So far everyone has been wonderful. Inconceivably kind and supportive to be honest!!. I’m sure the shine will wear off at some point but perhaps it won’t?? I’m very happy with my decision to be here. Maybe some of you could enjoy your choices as well??

But convincing anyone of anything on the Internet is for fools!! Lol!!

That’s my semi annual post on here so if anyone wants to argue about it don’t hold your breath. Have a great evening or morning wherever you are and who ever you are!!

I had no point. I simply made a comment based on observations. No-one actually conversed those points, they simply refuted to lowly ad-hominems.
How nice would it be, if we could discuss these items without petty attacks and feeling like we have to take every argument personally, which is what everyone here did.

Seems too hard for the AActivists here I guess.

El Peso 07-26-2022 08:33 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 3467552)
I believe it was you who brought up that comparison. Nice try. Remember, "Atlas pilot" and "not worthy of comments about careers".
Short memory you have.

By the way I just want to thank you for choosing to go to Atlas and not flow. One thing we’ll agree on is that flow does get a lot of folks through with serious blemishes and skeletons in their closets. You spared us all of at least one such jack*ass that I’ll never have to fly with.

dera 07-26-2022 08:39 PM


Originally Posted by El Peso (Post 3467554)
By the way I just want to thank you for choosing to go to Atlas and not flow. One thing we’ll agree on is that flow does get a lot of folks through with serious blemishes and skeletons in their closets. You spared us all of at least one such jack*ass that I’ll never have to fly with.

Another great argument for/against the discussion some were trying to have here.

Margaritaville 07-26-2022 11:01 PM

You two done with this dumb pi$$ing contest yet? Jeez. Stop, nobody cares.

Back to the thread topic, did AA bankruptcy yet?

Al Czervik 07-27-2022 03:26 AM


Originally Posted by Margaritaville (Post 3467576)
Back to the thread topic, did AA bankruptcy yet?

I hope not. My financial house is not in order yet.

AllYourBaseAreB 07-27-2022 03:31 AM


Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 3467606)
I hope not. My financial house is not in order yet.

Not to fear, I hear Atlas is hiring…

Swakid8 07-27-2022 03:35 AM

All this talk about QOL dick measuring contest. QOL is relative to one’s situation or what a individual person values. For some, AA checks those boxes. For others, Atlas or another carrier checks those boxes.

AllYourBaseAreB 07-27-2022 03:38 AM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 3467545)
You've never been to Tulsa? Good for you. It is pretty consistent on your PBS awards. I can even tell you the hotel you stay at if you want?

401K is way less? No, I count a 10% deduction on my salary and by my numbers, I put in 22%. Last I checked, I have higher 401K contribution than my peers at AA. This is math and you seem to suck at it.

And why do you care about 10yr CA pay? I can make WB CA pay at 5 years.

yeah, your widebody pay is industry trailing, of narrowbody rates….. AA 401k is a 16% direct contribution, no match required….. After you max it out you get a 16% pay raise. My total contribution every month is 26% right now. Whoopity doo daa.

Again, did you get hired before this contract, during all the labor strife? What was the appeal?

notoriousKOT 07-27-2022 04:03 AM

time to come out of lurking to remind everyone of this gem from dera:


Cut $100k/year off the top 12+ year captain pay, and the legacy airlines could serve caviar to everyone. And the pilots would still receive an above industry average pay.
It's not just the ME3. Lufthansa serves caviar (the real stuff, not the fake american stuff) in their first class. They have a private terminal in Frankfurt, with MB/Porsche driving you to your plane after your personal assistant informs you that it is time to board. BA has a couple of private lounges for their first class/most frequent fliers.
Both airlines turn a nice profit without any unfair government handouts. Difference is - those airlines seem to want your business, US3 couldn't give a damn.

United is an embarrassment in every single way, they hate their customers, even the premium ones. US domestic transcon in first with only crackers to eat, not even for purchase. Good going, UA. (SFO-ATL redeye). AA has decent ground experience and they actually care about their frequent fliers, but their hard product just isn't competitive. DL has a comparable business class product to BA/LH, but economy is pure torture, they also hate their frequent fliers.

It's easy to blame others, but the fault is with your management and your absolutely insane pay rates for top captains. There's no reason why a 12-year captain turns 300+k a year. Every other competitor, anywhere else in the world, pays less than half, for same or better safety/punctuality.

remind yourself of this quote every time you waste time responding to him.


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