Thanks guys.

I'm mid 30s and started towards the end of last year. Projections show me at around 1000 when I retire. But that number doesn't include any future early retirements or medical outs. Good news is a lot of people getting hired are 40+ which helps your seniority long term. I was mid 50s out of almost 70 in my class.

Summer classes stopping has nothing to do with music stopping. They stop mainline, they don't have to flow anyone from the WOs during the summer since they can barely staff them.

If yall have class dates, rest easy(ish). Welcome to the fAAmily. For those waiting, expect Sep, Oct, Nov classes for fall; no Dec (normal ops).

Good luck.

Just for the sake of comparison, it looks like a 30 year old hired at UAL today would retire somewhere around 990 (with the usual caveats, of course).

Yeah, but being 990 of [Dr. Evil voice]one million pilots[/Dr. Evil voice] has to count for something, no?

Currently only 380 on the 'crew age by fleet' that are 29 or younger. There's 149 aged 30. So right now, assuming no youngsters get hired ahed of you in the meantime, you'd retire around 530.

882 are 32 or younger.

990 at UA vs 530 at AA. Adjust for current G4/large w/b's differential and the AA value is comparable to 750-800 at United. So lightly better at AA but not a world of difference. Throw in the greater variety (larger network) and the difference might be considered even less.

I completed the PST exactly a month ago today, haven't heard anything since. I was told by Raven careers that it's at least a couple of months to hear back these days. If anyone else is in a similar position, please feel free to dm. I'm very competitive so it can't just be my profile or how I did on the test, 8k TPIC and LCA on the 73.

Ok, sounds like we're in the same boat. Thanks for the info.

FWIW, I completed my online assessment in DEC, haven't heard anything from AA since. But I'm in a different boat.. retired military, heavy jet time, unrestricted ATP w/ just over 5000 hours. Could have been I tubed the assessment, or they've just slowed that much, or ageism, or ....... who knows. Luckily, I don't "need" to work, but I want to. Would be interested in hearing from anyone who's waited a while and then heard back, as to how long it was so I know if they've moved past me or not. I have 3 other offers and 1 interview today. Thanks.

Same boat
 

I took the assessment in December as well and haven't heard anything back. I'm still in my mid 30's. I wasn't very competitive as far as times back then but I am continually updating my app and hoping to hear something back as I get closer to upgrading at my current regional and starting to log some 121 PIC. I also have a CJO from another legacy.

You guys are asking the wrong question here. It's not about what number you will retire that doesn't matter so much its all about how quickly you will move up. Maybe you can be the top dog at one airline for a single day before you retire. Our would you rather spend 25 years in the top 25% globally? This is what actually changes your lifestyle. Being in the top 1000 doesn't matter if you're not there until 64.

Exactly. The average seniority is what produces the most value for one's career. Maybe the best analysis would be to compare average seniority in 5 year blocks? 0-5 yrs to retirement, 6-10 yrs to retirement, etc. Also what does that seniority hold? Buddy's been flying turns on the n/b for a decade? The other details don't matter- he lives close to the airport and can fly turns every month on any day he wants. Jump-seated with a super senior AA guy out of DFW. PHX turn. Afternoon departure, home for a late dinner. No alarm clocks, can do whatever he wants that morning, golf, gym, tennis, yardwork, etc, spends about 7 hrs at work, and has a later dinner. He just didn't see the value of doing 8-14 hr flights for a 23% pay bump.

Also what you do with that seniority matters. That's where individual choice comes into play. AA, and others, have Captains in their 20's. Youngest at AA is 25. Even if he's the plug for 5 years spending 40 years as a Captain at a Big 3 airline has value beyond what most people would assign to someone that chooses to be a n/b FO for 40 years.

Not yet, but we never know how it goes.

Unfortunately I was never a captain on any of this planes. I have a bachelor degree in Law and started Flight School on my last college year. I finished my CPL with 157h and got hired as FO to fly the E170/190. After that joined a flag carrier on 320, furlough due seniority, joined another company on 320, then join the Middle East company on the 320, and after 3 yrs, fleet transfer to the 350. Right now I am also qualified as In Flight Relief, taking the left seat when the Captain is taking his rest. Almost all my hours are Part 121 equivalent, except for this 157h from the school. I am applying for the big 3, but I have 2 preferences. Thanks for your reply.

Qualified as relief pilot only? U.S. airlines might not give you credit for that time. Or are you saying you're qualified to be acting Captain when the Captain goes on break and some FO's aren't qualified to be acting PIC? That's different than in the U.S. Everyone FO gets left seat qualified so either pilot can be acting PIC while the Captain is on break.

Apply. Let them decide. If you don't apply they'll never know you exist. Good luck.

Flying experience is just part of it, good attitude, wide network, nepotism, gender, race, all play a factor. Apply where your desire to work and good luck!

Anybody attend WAI over the weekend and do a meet and greet? How'd it go and did it lead to a interview?

RST posted that 19 CJOs were give, 16 to woman.

16 to one woman; that's ridiculous!

Well, it was the "Women In Aviation" convention. I always found it odd that men flock to this for meet and greets and interviews, but I get it. You have to get an edge to get noticed somehow. I'm not judging anybody, but it doesn't surprise me that a bunch of women were offered jobs at the event.

26 were hired at NGPA… 🤔

I don't think you understood the joke.

I could hear the “woooooooosh”

Yes, I now see the error of my ways. This must be how my mother feels when she doesn’t get something I’m trying to explain to her! lol! I’ll own it.

I know a bunch of straight dudes who go to that. A couple even paid their dues and wear the bracelets.

it’s harder to pull off at OBAP.

TPNX
 

Has anyone attended TPNX in the past with a scheduled meet and greet and been selected for a interview right after like at WAI or NGPA? I've heard that has happened at those conferences but haven't heard of it happening at TPNX. I have a scheduled meet and greet at TPNX but the dress code for the event is business casual so I'm worried about under dressing for the meet and greet and the off chance they pull me for a interview at the conference.

Thanks!

From what I understand, and I could be wrong because I didn't interview at a conference, but I have heard it is pretty obvious you will be interviewing at the conference. They will require you to upload a bunch of documents to the hiring portal before you go to the conference that they require all interviews to upload before they interview.

Well that is great news. Thanks for the info!

AA Director of Hiring recorded a 2-part podcast (Ready 4 Pushback) right before TPNx last year and explained the suit vs no suit situation. I doubt it’s changed, bring a suit if you get an interview or want to be prepared, but not required for the Meet and Greet. He just recorded another R4P podcast, all 3 are worth a listen.

and R4P is doing a live webinar next week in preparation for TPNx with the new director of hiring.

if interested… register at:

https://vimeo.com/event/4192783?fbcl...PSP15uqusSOCqw

Who did you guys use/recommend for an interview prep with AA? And how much did it cost? Thanks!

aviationinterviews.com

as Mstr said, aviation interviews. They were pretty spot on with the ride reports of how the day/interview will go. There’s 100 or so TMAAT questions you could study from as well as a few scenario based questions. All this said, I still used a prep company to prepare for the interview. It was an investment into a multi million $ job and I didn’t want to leave anything to chance. Some may be able to go in there and crush the interview without that, but I wanted to make sure I was prepared. Biggest thing they want is for you to be authentic. The prep just helped me build the confidence I needed to go in and crush the interview. I used Spitfire Elite who now has Judy Tarver on their team. Others have used Raven, Ready Set Takeoff, Emerald Coast, or Cage Marshall. Good luck!

Pilot Counseling Services (now owned by Spitfire) is far and away the best answer you're going to get on here. Judy Tarver, Maureen and others on the team worked in pilot hiring at AA for decades. Looks like the package is now $700. You could probably get by with aviationinterviews.com, but is it really worth leaving anything on the table when it comes to a legacy interveiw?

I agree. I tend to interview pretty well, but if I had it to do over again, I’d pay the $700 for the prep. I’d do both. The great thing about aviationinterviews is the info is very fresh, as in pretty much up-to-the-minute.

For the potential earnings at AA, I’d probably spring for the seven bills.

Judy for sure 👍🏼 Seems like every interviewer knows her, the CA on my panel said she was who hired him 30 odd years ago. I’m not saying it got me the job, but this was the only time I did an interview prep for a jov, and I don’t feel like I had any buyers remorse.

thanks y’all!

Second, or 3rd this. I spoke with Tron at Spitfire (where Judy is now -- she was bought) and he was a godsend for my specific situation. They may be expensive but an all-around good team and they truly care.