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Slick111 06-21-2021 11:34 AM

Who wants to read about my sweet Miata?

biigD 06-21-2021 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by Slick111 (Post 3252802)
Who wants to read about my sweet Miata?

Dad of the year right there. That's awesome that you bought your 16 year-old a car for her birthday!

Dunkin 06-21-2021 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by loganeich (Post 3252619)
Yes, I know AA doesn’t hire at ATP mins and they don’t pay 40K a year. My point is the article implies AA has a shortage of pilots which is likely not the case. My family is curious with articles like these why I can’t just start at a legacy.

My wife also thinks I’m crazy for leaving a six figure job for starting FO pay at a regional. The title of the article is very misleading.

It took me ten years of flying at the regional level to finally make six figures, then when you get on at a major you get to take another pay cut while being in the furlough zone again.

Speed Select 06-21-2021 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by OldBiff (Post 3252751)
Sure you can. You sound like the exact kind of guy that thinks his military “Leadership” skills are just what companies are looking for… Military to airline isn’t exactly real world job experience, which shows tremendously in the rest of your “I’ll tell you how to run your multi-billion dollar company in a way I bet you never thought of” post. Only SEALs can military grift at that level, but feel free to pitch your coffee/T-Shirt/supplement company business plan. We’re all ears.

Biff, if you read a my previous post, I said retired military don't have transferrable or in-demand skills. Hence, airline pilot.

Gotta go back to school to start another career. Managing a school schedule is possible with some seniority.

When did I say I would tell someone how to run their billing dollar company? That said, I do think there are some pretty creative and intelligent minds in military leadership. Problem is the lack of tangible business experience-finance, marketing, supply chain, etc. I have an MBA from a pretty good school, but it's meaningless. I have no business experience and that became pretty clear to me when I went job seeking as I transitioned out of the military.

All that leadership experience and "executive education" got me a seniority number at a regional. Correct, military does not translate to a lucrative career other than pilot at a major.

Vandan90 06-21-2021 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by ToddChavez (Post 3252799)
For what it's worth, this article is omitting a glaring truth... the real reason for the cancellations was flight attendants. I don't know why the news media thinks "crew" means just pilots.

Many airlines this last weekend offered incentives to FAs because a high number called out for this brand new holiday called "juneteenth".... it's some kind of black holiday like kwanzaa from what I gather. And yes, that is why there were so many cancellations. Spirit paid their FAs 200% this weekend, Southwest marked it a "critical weekend", etc...

No Mr.Chavez it’s not a “black” holiday, it’s an American holiday. Drawing a distinction while having no skin in the game is hilarious. It’s also Nothing like Kwanza, the Senate unanimously voted for it. It’s here to stay, get used to it. Great observation though connecting it to the shortage for the weekend, but the article extends further. Yes there is a shortage of qualified pilots.

sanicom3205 06-21-2021 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by loganeich (Post 3252619)
Yes, I know AA doesn’t hire at ATP mins and they don’t pay 40K a year. My point is the article implies AA has a shortage of pilots which is likely not the case. My family is curious with articles like these why I can’t just start at a legacy.

My wife also thinks I’m crazy for leaving a six figure job for starting FO pay at a regional. The title of the article is very misleading.

I don't think there's an issue with the article there. There is a shortage of pilots at AA, that's the truth. There's also going to continue to be a shortage of pilots at AA even after everyone is fully trained. I don't think that has anything to do with your sisters confusion though.
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Dobbs18 06-21-2021 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by ToddChavez (Post 3252799)
For what it's worth, this article is omitting a glaring truth... the real reason for the cancellations was flight attendants. I don't know why the news media thinks "crew" means just pilots.

Many airlines this last weekend offered incentives to FAs because a high number called out for this brand new holiday called "juneteenth".... it's some kind of black holiday like kwanzaa from what I gather. And yes, that is why there were so many cancellations. Spirit paid their FAs 200% this weekend, Southwest marked it a "critical weekend", etc...

so do you have any credible source to back up this claim, or is this just a thought you came up with taking your morning ****??? I would venture to guess there was just as many "Fathers Day" sick calls as there were Juneteenth sick calls. But I can admit that is pure speculation on my part. We are short "qualified" pilots right now, plain and simple. Seeing how much PM is being handed out is the easiest way to determine that...As for FAs I have no idea bc I only know what they mention in van rides and such...

sanicom3205 06-21-2021 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by Dobbs18 (Post 3252855)
so do you have any credible source to back up this claim, or is this just a thought you came up with taking your morning ****??? I would venture to guess there was just as many "Fathers Day" sick calls as there were Juneteenth sick calls. But I can admit that is pure speculation on my part. We are short "qualified" pilots right now, plain and simple. Seeing how much PM is being handed out is the easiest way to determine that...As for FAs I have no idea bc I only know what they mention in van rides and such...

Disregard the fact that we furloughed thousands and our bookings have recovered. This is a political issue !

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DeltaboundRedux 06-21-2021 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by Vandan90 (Post 3252833)
No Mr.Chavez it’s not a “black” holiday, it’s an American holiday. Drawing a distinction while having no skin in the game is hilarious. It’s also Nothing like Kwanza, the Senate unanimously voted for it. It’s here to stay, get used to it. Great observation though connecting it to the shortage for the weekend, but the article extends further. Yes there is a shortage of qualified pilots.


It’s not a new holiday.

Also, we have always been at war with Eastasia.

It’s not a deer, it’s a horse.

There are five lights, and I’ve learned to love BB.

sanicom3205 06-21-2021 03:20 PM

For anyone who is still out there acting like Vasu is our savior.... or maybe you just need a laugh. Gotta admit, it's a little funny to read knowing that not only did they know this would happen, they bragged about how they weren't going to dick it up



While both Delta and United announced aggressive cutbacks in capacity this spring, American ended up going in the opposite direction. The airline was also, for whatever reason, slow to explain the reasoning behind their actions.
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Vasu: So, we look at this situation and the natural reaction is to say okay, things are really bad, demand is really uncertain, we need to hoard cash, take out as much expense as possible, shut down hubs, etc.

But I’ll tell you the same thing I’ve told our board. That is – this way of thinking is the friggin’ case study of AMR.

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Vasu: American neutered its ability to actually generate demand.

As a result, whenever there was a recovery, American could never participate in it. It structurally surrendered an advantaged position to its competitors. Because it was just so hell-bent on cost take-out.
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Vasu: Right. It (AMR) had so much debt and all this other stuff. And what it did was – all of this eroded everybody’s will. It eroded the will of the frontline team, of management, of investors, everybody.

If I could tell [CEO] Gerard [Arpey] anything – I’d tell him, “Grow the friggin’ airline.”

But the only way to do that was to NOT shrink. Grow at DFW. Don’t shut down St. Louis

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Vasu: So, here’s the deal. All of this that we are going through today. It sucks. But this is how I describe it to my team: this is like win or crash. And we sure are not going to figure all of this out by cutting at a greater rate than the other airlines.

..........

Everybody understands how precious this opportunity is and we’re not going to f#&% it up.

But hey, trying to explain all of this is hard. Let’s face it. We’ve burned a lot of credibility

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The airline that figures out a way to not furlough people, particularly pilots, ....they are going to come out of this on top.


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