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Originally Posted by BLAHBLAHBLAH
(Post 3338039)
How many of AA "new" aircraft are the newest (MAX/NEO) generation of the aircraft? Last I read they pulled the trigger on new aircraft a couple years too early.
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Originally Posted by El Peso
(Post 3338055)
100 MAXs and 130 NXs (of which 50 are XLR).
Says currently 42 MAX and 43 321NEO. |
Originally Posted by BLAHBLAHBLAH
(Post 3338066)
Says currently 42 MAX and 43 321NEO.
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Originally Posted by BLAHBLAHBLAH
(Post 3338066)
Says currently 42 MAX and 43 321NEO.
There’s a total of 191 new aircraft on order. MAX8s, NX/XLR, 787-8 & -9. |
Originally Posted by El Peso
(Post 3338090)
Correct, that’s what has been delivered. Orders are continuing to arrive though. The XLRs won’t be arriving until 2023.
There’s a total of 191 new aircraft on order. MAX8s, NX/XLR, 787-8 & -9. |
AA planes are already financed. Interest rates are going up. What will Delta get? AA is positioned nicely. We just need someone to run the show.
They announced late yesterday that they will be working on a new contract 24/7 in January. That makes me suspicious. We signed last time just before record profits. If Delta and United start negotiating at a rapid pace then we should all step back. |
Originally Posted by Gundam
(Post 3338030)
What is up with sick policy? Do you guys always require a doctor's note, or only after a certain number of sick outs?
Also, any idea on expected growth once things normalize? If you use over 100hrs in the sick year, then yes, doc note. CPO has the option to make a good faith inquiry if below 100hrs…like if you are sitting short call, get assigned a trip, and then bang in sick, that’s gonna raise the CPO eyebrows because it smells of “I’m out of position”. That very scenario occurred when the 747 was being phased out in DTW. It was down to only one departure a day, plane left and then had to air return…original crew would time out so they called in all the short calls…all banged in sick…turns out they were sitting at home multiple time zones away. |
Originally Posted by Varks
(Post 3338137)
They announced late yesterday that they will be working on a new contract 24/7 in January. That makes me suspicious. We signed last time just before record profits. If Delta and United start negotiating at a rapid pace then we should all step back. First mediated session is late Jan. DL and “rapid pace” ain’t happening. |
Gundam do you also have offers at both airlines?
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
(Post 3337190)
Make a pros and cons list.
Delta: Bases in NYC, ATL, DTW, MSP, SLC, SEA, LAX Questionable cockpit culture especially the RDPs in ATL. Military vs. civilian issues. "Where's your hat, son?" "Put that newspaper away, son". Guard policing and constant ambiguous ride reports. Horse blankets when it's 90 degrees. Autocratic management style only a notch above SkyWest. They will treat you like a child. Pilots are the only union. DALPA usually bends over anyhow. The company is profitable and the pilots make good money. Strong balance sheet. Aging fleet will have to be replaced. Debt will go up. Arguably the best product in terms of passenger experience. Loyal business customer base (HVCs). Work rules are okay except their schedules. Reassignment rules worse than a regional. You won't fly what you bid. 210/356 day bid awards and new hire seat locks. Nearly guarantees 2 years in NYC if you're junior. |
Originally Posted by Gspeed
(Post 3338359)
you’re doling out a lot of misinformation.
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
(Post 3338380)
A common theme here.
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I know this is a sweeping generalization and all… But I’ve been a commuter my whole airline career. I regularly Jumpseat on AA flights and have only run into 2 odd balls out of hundreds if not thousands of flights. I’ve jumped on Delta a couple dozen times and I’ve had either odd or downright awful experiences 5 or 6 of those. Most seem to be centered around the 75/76 fleet. All the times I’ve been on the jump of the 717, 73, or old Mad dogs it was a good experience. So I dunno, Delta sure seems to have some odd balls in proportion to other carriers.
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Originally Posted by Machsp
(Post 3337917)
Woke culture? pandemic illusion? you must be a joy to fly with.
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Originally Posted by sanicom3205
(Post 3337141)
You, sir, win the Internet today! Thank you. |
Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
(Post 3338394)
I know this is a sweeping generalization and all… But I’ve been a commuter my whole airline career. I regularly Jumpseat on AA flights and have only run into 2 odd balls out of hundreds if not thousands of flights. I’ve jumped on Delta a couple dozen times and I’ve had either odd or downright awful experiences 5 or 6 of those. Most seem to be centered around the 75/76 fleet. All the times I’ve been on the jump of the 717, 73, or old Mad dogs it was a good experience. So I dunno, Delta sure seems to have some odd balls in proportion to other carriers.
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Originally Posted by Gspeed
(Post 3338359)
Holy cow. I’ve been at D for 6 years and nearly everything you wrote is wrong. I bolded the only accurate stuff. D ain’t perfect but you’re doling out a lot of misinformation.
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Originally Posted by Gundam
(Post 3337877)
Get tired of winning and restructure/go bankrupt. Joint ventures/outsourcing does suck, but it seems like it is coming to AA too with the north east alliance. United is the only place as far as I can tell that isn't doing that. If the travel market stays strong and AA gets its debt controlled in the good times I think it will be fine and a great place to work. It could certainly happen, I just think people should consider the the possibility. Of the 3 choices for regionals I considered, 2 no longer exist. I got very lucky. The airline industry seems to favor a conservative growth strategy at every level. The best job security is of course to just fly boxes.
Too big to fail, implies leverage in DC and massive influence over the economy mostly only banks have. If only one airline actually needs to declare bankruptcy it will be allowed to happen. It will miss growth opportunities and the contracts will certainly not be industry leading afterwards. |
I only had a short stay AAL, but I thoroughly enjoyed my time there. I've now have been at DAL now for 7 years and I'm extremely happy here. I haven't seen all that many of the stereotypes I had always heard about DAL..then again, I'm not based in ATL lol. If I had lived close to any one of the AAL bases, I'd have happily stayed there. Either one would be a great option, so pick whichever one allows you to sit short call from home, or has the easiest commute.
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Originally Posted by sanicom3205
(Post 3337141)
https://external-content.duckduckgo....6pid%3DApi&f=1 How's your commuter gig working out, "kid"? I guess I can post childish pictures too!!! |
Originally Posted by Route66
(Post 3338909)
https://external-content.duckduckgo....6pid%3DApi&f=1
How's your commuter gig working out, "kid"? I guess I can post childish pictures too!!! |
Originally Posted by Machsp
(Post 3337917)
Woke culture? pandemic illusion? you must be a joy to fly with.
Ive always been respectful to all in the cockpit. Like always, there may be a few pilots in the stone ages, but I haven't been one of them. But don't believe me. The web boards are really just a way for the few to get their rocks off. But going back to the thread intent for the original poster, al lot of these pilots are deep enough that a seniority number shift isn't worth the work. So again, you'd be better off with Delta or United. |
Originally Posted by Route66
(Post 3338909)
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How's your commuter gig working out, "kid"? I guess I can post childish pictures too!!! I’m guessing that kid will retire extremely senior so… probably worth it? |
Enjoy your Air Force 04/05 retirement, buy a luscomb, start a YouTube channel, and enjoy being self employed. The airline shiny jet life isn’t worth the headache at the moment. If you do make a deal with the devil, the implied message is have a backup second/third career as we all go thru this crap again and who knows what’ll happen when you get furloughed at either AA or DL. My 2 cents- Go FedEx, UPS, or ACMI. Best of luck.
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Originally Posted by Gooch
(Post 3338935)
Enjoy your Air Force 04/05 retirement, buy a luscomb, start a YouTube channel, and enjoy being self employed. The airline shiny jet life isn’t worth the headache at the moment. If you do make a deal with the devil, the implied message is have a backup second/third career as we all go thru this crap again and who knows what’ll happen when you get furloughed at either AA or DL. My 2 cents- Go FedEx, UPS, or ACMI. Best of luck.
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Originally Posted by Route66
(Post 3338909)
https://external-content.duckduckgo....6pid%3DApi&f=1
How's your commuter gig working out, "kid"? I guess I can post childish pictures too!!! |
Originally Posted by ryscoobs
(Post 3339153)
Suggesting someone go to ACMI when the thread is about AA vs DL seems wildly off topic
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Originally Posted by Hueypilot
(Post 3339399)
Yep. ACMIs have never gone out of business or furloughed! (sarcasm)
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Originally Posted by Gooch
(Post 3339444)
IF one has CJO’s at AAG or DL then Purple or Brown aren’t out of reach. They pay more to work less, same intl flying if not better, and boxes don’t complain.
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One that often gets overlooked is travel privileges if you're a commuter. American is based on time of check in, Delta is seniority based, so that could make a huge difference on your quality of life.
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All the senior AA non-commuters had a fit over time of check-in… “what if I’m in flight on my premium 29 hr PVG 3 day and can’t check in right away…..”
cry me a river |
Originally Posted by AllYourBaseAreB
(Post 3340067)
All the senior AA non-commuters had a fit over time of check-in… “what if I’m in flight on my premium 29 hr PVG 3 day and can’t check in right away…..”
cry me a river Seniority for the back worked better. I felt that way when I was at the bottom of the list. |
Originally Posted by Hardcharger
(Post 3340056)
One that often gets overlooked is travel privileges if you're a commuter. American is based on time of check in, Delta is seniority based, so that could make a huge difference on your quality of life.
DAL is seniority, but once you've booked the JS, it's yours. I can't remember the timeline since I don't commute and rarely JS, but pilots going to work get to book the JS a few days before booking a JS home from work. In turn, pilots going home from work get to book a few days before anyone booking the JS for personal travel. |
Originally Posted by crewdawg
(Post 3340069)
DAL is seniority, but once you've booked the JS, it's yours. I can't remember the timeline since I don't commute and rarely JS, but pilots going to work get to book the JS a few days before booking a JS home from work. In turn, pilots going home from work get to book a few days before anyone booking the JS for personal travel.
3 prior from work 1 prior for personal |
Originally Posted by crewdawg
(Post 3340069)
DAL is seniority, but once you've booked the JS, it's yours. I can't remember the timeline since I don't commute and rarely JS, but pilots going to work get to book the JS a few days before booking a JS home from work. In turn, pilots going home from work get to book a few days before anyone booking the JS for personal travel.
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Commuting is pretty stress free at AA. The commuter clause doesn’t require any backups or documentation. You could commute by horse and buggy or hot air balloon. All you have to do is call scheduling once you know you won’t be able to make sign in.
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