United has a AIP
 

WOTS

Big Points

20% raises
19% contribution
Positive Space for commuting
5% over us or Delta raises.
and for them they lose airport standby.

Those details are 100% rumor.

No they aren't, I saw them on the internet.

Will be interesting to see what if anything was given up. THere must have given something up, right?

didn’t you read it, they gave up airport standby :D

That is an outrage. Who would go for that? lol

19% 401k…Positive space commuting. Impossible. Our negotiators would say “we can’t ask for that, nobody has 19%.”

FB official or it never happened….

Winner for the day

ALPA press release

I also read it on the internet.

I read something about free medical, but the United medical insurance is worthless as they deny pretty much everything except accepted routine procedures and emergency room.

Are you a pilot for United?

He's a troll and a pretty lousy one at that. I chuckled when I read his username, but now he's just gotten on my nerves.

Easy problem to fix. Just go to the emergency room for everything.

Hope United knocks it out of the park.

that’s nonsense

yeah, this is good news for all. APA definitely needs coattails to ride. I spoke with a base rep and was astonished at his apathy/lack of knowledge toward negotiations.

If you guys are riding ALPA UA coattails, then it must be a sorry state of affairs over there.

Its almost comical how badly management hates the pilot group over at AA. They would do anything, including costing the company more money in the long run, to not give the pilots a decent contract. Any offer from them has been insulting to say the least. Pittance of QOL rules aside, the pay rate offer was 1% for 2019, 1% for 2020, 1% for 2021, 1% for 2022, 3% for the 2-year “short term” contract. That’s 7% until 2024 and beyond when we haven’t had a raise in over 3 years to begin with. That’s not an offer that’s a spit in the face.

you have no idea

What offer was a 1% raise? I never saw any type of communication on that offer.

The way it was explained to me is that 1% each year for the stalled talks. End result is the same, 4% + 3% = 7%

i know right. If only there was a way for pilots to choose who they think will represent them better

It certainly doesn’t help when 651 votes were “received late” thanks to APA’s archaic process of multiple voting rounds which require mailing in the ballot via USPS on a condensed timeline…

Where did you hear any of this? Regardless.. inflation is at 8%.. no contract since 2019. If they want a 18 month contract (as per VP APA) I'm all ears with a raise of 15% plus 3% after 12 months... annual 3% raise regardless of negotiation. Obviously with other JCBA improvements

I never saw that, I saw 4% at signing and 3% the next year. Your 1% per year would actually be better than what they offered due to compounding the raise each year. Either way, a terrible offer.

4% + 3% = 7% break it down however you feel compensating for the over 3 years of no raises. Not a terrible offer, an insulting offer that shows what the company thinks of its pilots. Especially when offering 165k to envoy flows in a flawed retention program that rightfully has some envoy pilots taking the money and running to United and delta. I hope they keep running there

What do you expect when you have a guy who WON the election sue over election fraud?

Are we talking about the same thing or are you going off on a tangent

He is talking about an APA election and why we don’t have electronic voting

Ah ok yeah lack of e-voting is total bs

Why is there no electronic voting? I’m 99% sure when we voted on the JCBA we did it electronically.

The most broad answer that we've been given is that the Department of Labor says it's illegal or something like that. Plus it's "the way we've always done it." Idk, all I know is that answer speaks volumes about the inherent problems with APA. Not necessarily the people in APA, but the by-laws and structure of an independent union with limited resources.

I wonder if United has to deal with this ...situation normal at AA!

PBS Delay and the Manipulation of Vaccine Records in FOS

In an effort to forcibly shape the outcome of the June LGA/777 PBS award, management chose to manipulate the vaccine records of 200 pilots in that bid status. Using a data file based on that manipulation, and over the objection of the APA members of the PBS Working Group (PWG), management began processing the award. About 30 hours into the PBS run, management halted production when APA made them aware of the fact that PBS was awarding vaccinated trips to unvaccinated pilots. A significant amount of time was spent by management going way down this data rabbit hole when it was ultimately discovered that the error was, in fact, in the logic of the PBS software. This wasted time – due to management’s worries that their manipulation of vaccine requirements had caused a problem – resulted in the delay to PBS. Had management not manipulated pilots’ vaccine records in FOS, the error would have been caught, or at a minimum handled through the Award Challenge process, both resulting in an on-time publication of the awards.

A more expansive description of the events leading up to this latest management-created fiasco can be found HERE. It is recommended that all LGA/777 pilots, at a minimum, review the full description of events to better understand exactly what management did here.

We hope PBS only incurs this management-induced 24-hour delay. We suggest that you carefully review your PBS award, especially LGA/777 pilots, and submit a PBS award challenge on AAPilots. We encourage all pilots to look at your HI22 and make sure your COVID 19 vaccination data is correct; if it is not, contact your Chief Pilot. Pilots should take screen shots of their information with the date and time noted, as management has shown that it is not above changing pilot records whenever they want without notifying the affected pilots.

But APA has done electronic voting in the past. I’m not understanding

I don't understand either. I remember voting electronically on something, maybe it was at my previous WO though. The best I can surmise is that election voting must be done by snail mail but TA voting can be done electronically. That's my best WAG...I'd be curious how Delta and United ALPA vote for their reps.

ALPA votes electronically for reps and TAs.

There was an election done electronically that was challenged by the winner and the union decided not fight it more vigorously and is hesitant to fight again in the courts. Basically pansy bs as per usual

​​​​​All electronic. Even at the rock bottom ALPA regionals.

Yep. That said, the nomination round being electronic is a relatively new thing.


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