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Old 10-20-2022, 04:54 PM
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What are the projected pilot retirements by fleet type (73 vs Airbus) over the next couple years?
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Old 10-21-2022, 06:53 AM
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What are the projected pilot retirements by fleet type (73 vs Airbus) over the next couple years?
Would take some work to mine this data. That said: I don't think it matters. Presumably most retirements will come from the left seat. If you do a strict 1 for 1 backfill with upgrades there is no way to tell if that upgrade will come from a 737 FO or a 320 FO. It could also come from a G4 FO or it could be a lateral move for someone looking to switch to a base that does not have a 737 or 320 like PHX, ORD, BOS.

Moral of the story: It won't matter for planning purposes.
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Originally Posted by ooglemcdoogle View Post
What are the projected pilot retirements by fleet type (73 vs Airbus) over the next couple years?
We're losing 2.5 pilots to retirement per day, and 50% of the seniority list in the next 5 years. Whatever numbers reflect your original question, it will be almost identical.
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We're losing... 50% of the seniority list in the next 5 years.
How do you figure that? The rest of this year and the next five years after comes to 4,130 mandatory retirements. That is NOT 50%. Nowhere near it.
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Also very hard to predict because you have pilots going back and forth between NB and WB flying. You may have a WB FO coming into a NB CA slot. You may have a NB CA go to WB CA, or they may choose to stay for better relative seniority. Heck, I recently flew with a NB CA who was a WB FO. Hated the QOL so much as a NB CA that they are going back to be a WB FO.
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There are a lot of bogus retirement projections floating around. Almost like AA recruiting is planting it since it would be the main carrot to attract new hires and retain them.

According to crew age by fleet with unknown time of update:

Airbus CA 60+ = 1055

737 CA 60+ = 789
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What are the projected pilot retirements by fleet type (73 vs Airbus) over the next couple years?

Answer: pick the Bus.


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Originally Posted by B757200ER View Post
We're losing 2.5 pilots to retirement per day, and 50% of the seniority list in the next 5 years. Whatever numbers reflect your original question, it will be almost identical.
Where did you hear that? We currently have roughly 3,512 pilots who are between 60-65 years old. Not even close to 50% hitting 65 over the next 5 years.
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Where did you hear that? We currently have roughly 3,512 pilots who are between 60-65 years old. Not even close to 50% hitting 65 over the next 5 years.
Recruitment pushes that "stat", it's fake news. However, there are a lot of retirements and movement is about be very fast over the next couple years.

7500 pilots gone in 5 years fast? No. But industry leading (neck and neck with United) none the less.
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Originally Posted by B757200ER View Post
We're losing 2.5 pilots to retirement per day, and 50% of the seniority list in the next 5 years. Whatever numbers reflect your original question, it will be almost identical.
AA is still sitting around 15,000 pilots.

Retirements:

2023 - 712
2024 - 802
2025 - 865
2026 - 868
2027 - 763

That is 4000 in 5 years. It is a LOT of retirements, but not 50%.

To actually retire 50% of the list as compared to right now, that will happen in mid 2033. So 10 years.
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