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12-03-2022, 07:53 AM

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ImSoSuss

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Originally Posted by Varks

How does the sick bank payout only benefit senior pilots? $125,000.
I prefer the pay banding we have now.
What financial products are you talking about?
I fail to see how the shot down TA was geared toward senior pilots.

Then take another look at it. The major gains were only geared to benefit the senior pilots. Huge vacation increase, LTD increase (I know, any age may have to use LTD but that doesn't change the fact that the vast majority who use it are on the senior end of the scale), etc. That thing was a piece of crap and I thank Delta for showing us that (as was my hope). All BOD members who voted to pass our TA for a membership votes should resign IMMEDIATELY.

12-03-2022, 08:25 AM

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Al Czervik

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APA will get 100% of what DL got or it’s a no.

12-03-2022, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Al Czervik

APA will get 100% of what DL got or it’s a no.

This.

APA gets younger by the day. Thank god the BOD shot down the garbage Hamel AIP.

12-03-2022, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by OpieTaylor

150k sick bank cash out.

Delta increased pay banding in this AIP, APA has publicly stated they want to undue pay banding in order to shift income senior. They are publicly moving in opposite directions.

Slew of financial products that APA lags in, benefit the older disproportionately. Now that Delta has pulled ahead in QOL, it will be more obvious that QOL was not APA an goal.

i believe the pay banding Delta secured, was actually to bring the lower rates up. So, this select form of pay banding, is actually helping them bring some equipment types, that were lower (individually) up to the banded level, while keeping the higher pays, above our banded levels.

12-03-2022, 11:56 AM

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Varks

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Originally Posted by ImSoSuss

I agree the proposal was crap.

Since when did a senior pilot not get more vacation accrual than a new hire?
I suppose you will never be old enough or hurt enough to benefit from an improved LTD plan. Do you realize how far behind ours is? $8000/month max.
All pilots would benefit from both issues you say are for senior pilots.

12-03-2022, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Varks

Gimmie a break, it was targeted at the senior majority of the pilot group. A group that objectively utilizes and benefits far more from those very small "gains" (yes, current LTD is crap and needs to be fixed, but it is rarely utilized by young/junior pilots). The same group that sneaks out the back door in a few years and leaves the rest of the junior folks, and the thousands yet to be hired, with a steamy pile of crap work rules. Don't pretend to be so naive

12-03-2022, 12:43 PM

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You bettter bet I am 100% against a TA in this environment where that is the focus. Shame on you and the negotiating committee for trying to get garbage through. So selfish and self serving at the expense of the rest of the pilot group. The anger is real out here. Thank you Delta for showing us the way.

12-03-2022, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ImSoSuss

Do we match DL and UA with regard to LTD? If so, I agree with you. If not, then we need to match them. Simple. But it needs to be part of the entire package that matches all that DL’s new AIP encompasses. All of it.