Went super jr. on the CA side?

no, FO did. This bid BOS CA was very senior.

currently the junior CA in BOS is a 2/2022 hire.

lol wut?

it’s a 93XX number - Jan 2017 DOH.

huh, thats weird. Certainly makes more sense. APA expanded 3XP has a few guys at the bottom of the list that are typos

BOS CA has the most senior plug at the company for NB.

Any idea if most of the BOS locals that commute to NYC or PHL are mostly doing WB flying? Or on 73 waiting to come back to BOS When their seniority would be better?

i see that now. APA 3xp is jacked up

There are quite a few of both.

disagree, but that’s cool.

the FO side is super junior with about the entire bottom 3rd of the list holding a base transfer award for the spring. On NB, no one who wants BOS is waiting. There is the BOS contingent senior enough to commute to WB FO, or NB CA. Personal preference.

NE director essentially confirmed that Airbus base will come to BOS, to include XLR flying.

There are many many BOS locals that commute to the WB. There are also lots of CAs that cannot hold BOS. What exactly are you disagreeing with?

BOS Bus
 

so Bus is slated to come to BOS?

there being NB FO’s ‘waiting’ to come to BOS until more senior.

The OP didn’t specify CA or FO and I didn’t mention FOs.

He referenced WB or 737. There are definitely locals flying both not in BOS. Lots of them.

Sorry, I thought he was asking specifically re the FO side.

Nope. Same as 73 PHX and PHL. Not anytime soon. Just rumor mill.

BOS has done this several times since 1987 - locked down tight, guys start pouring in...and then it locks down again. In 5, 10, 15, 20 years the same names are still there. Guys that don't make the upgrade cutoff end up commuting to NYC for the upgrade. FO decades ago was looking into BOS "things are moving fast there!" I told him it was fools gold.

Figure out the percentage of guys retiring out of the various bases in the next couple of years. Count the total of sub x thousand seniority numbers (10,000?). That's the new blood. Is there more new blood in the base then Captains that are going to retire in the next x years? How many new Captains that have more than x (10, 15, 20?) years to retirement? That might give you some inisight into the upgrade vs stagnation possibilities. Run imaginary 3XP's in 3, 5, 10 years after subtracting the future retirements. What does that show?

It's hard to predict the future but looking at data might be able to give you some insight.

thanks..not on property yet so trying to gauge it best I can.

but from what your saying, probably staying a small stagnant base?

Yes. He's on point. BOS movement is erratic and slow.

It's not really rumor mill. The VP of flight ops from NY just talked about it in an email. He said XLR flying will be done in BOS and a bus base will happen. He also said it isn't "weeks or months" away and that it was probably a lower priority than other new categories.

If you live in BOS it doesn't matter. A 20-30% bump in seniority isn't worth commuting. I'd take 90% living in base all day over 70% commuting.

This, what I was referring to earlier.

thanks. Good to hear it's being talked about and could become a reality. Planning on coming over from JB so trying to manage BOS expectations.

I mean, currently 41% of the entire list on the FO side is holding an upcoming outbound base transfer, so…

so good news for a NH FO wanting BOS but a crawl up the list after that... assume CA will stray very senior for a while. If 321 came to BOS would that be growth most likely complementing the 73?

Exactly, and worse case you have an easy commute to PHL or LGA, or even DCA or CLT. 4 commute choices that are way easier than what 90% of commuters do. BOS is a great base, super nice FA's, can't speak for the pilots as I'm an AB guy and have never flown with them, but the FA's are very nice and very professional. Seems to be a tight knit group. I'm guessing the pilot side is like that too.

Mentioned again in Friday’s weekly, along with narrative that management is working to accelerate the timeline to add A320 to BOS.

nice! Good to hear that... just started here at AA this past week, where would I find this 'weekly'?

It's in a CCI message. You might need to be based in either NY or BOS to get it.

found it, thanks! Still figuring out all these apps

There seems to be mixed rumors about whether the 320 would be an additional fleet or a replacement fleet. i.e. 737 and 320, or just 320.

The newsletter implies the latter by saying they want to make BOS "an A320 base," and that it would be a "better solution than what we have now."

I wish they would clarify, because I hear guys talking about it and many are assuming there will be both fleet types in BOS.

Your post is the first time I've ever heard of this "rumor". Flipping the switch from 737 only to 320 only doesn't make much sense for such a risk-averse management team.

I highly doubt it. Never heard that one.

It's all rumor-mill, but, the idea of both NBs in all the hubs is gaining some traction. BOS/73 is one of, if not the, smallest bid status. They may do it in BOS as a test run and then expand it to ORD, PHX, or PHL.

Agreed, and all signs point to that sooner or later- the one flavor of NB bases (BOS, ORD, PHX, PHL) might get both NBs on a long enough timeline. But simply swapping BOS 737 for BOS 320 makes no sense. The training cost would be immense.

Hello, recent newhire that got BOS 737 in training. Long story short, we were furnished the wrong weekly class drop list so my attempt to do some research was for naught. Hoped for Airbus to be able to transfer home eventually but, here we are. By the time it got to me, options were Boston and New York and my split-second decision was to avoid having to be responsible for covering many airports as a probationary reserve. Re-reading this thread and seeing mixed signals, sometimes going junior and other times stagnation. Starting to wonder if I should have gone with LGA, especially as we are still awaiting any ground school dates and sounds like it could be a while…

Anyway so how’s things in Boston these days? As another commenter mentioned, I too am getting accustomed to all the apps and sites. At previous companies I’ve had access to pairings at each base and equipment, as well as lists that show the final run of PBS and allowed you to compare your relative seniority (kind of like an expanded 3xp but overlaid on the awards so you could see if you had a shot at a line, or deep into reserve territory, or couldn’t even get in). Do we have stuff like that?

Poking around open time I can see plenty of early start/late finish trips. Still pretty typical of the base? An earlier comment said reserve went senior sometimes and possibilities of junior lineholders. Still the case? Worth sticking around for a bit to be a junior lineholder, or should I try to bid/MBE elsewhere? I’ll be a West Coast commuter for a year seatlock, so first priority is minimizing the pain by trying to get a line, if at all possible.

hmm maybe this answers one of my questions. Where exactly can I find TASC, still not 100% what all I’m looking at.

yes you should have gone LGA, 320, but too late. We have lost a lot of products with the loss of Litesabre. That said, we do in fact have a product for seeing everyone's schedule award. A lot of people don't know it exists, they all talk about 3xp and expanded 3xp. The report you want is in the same spot as those but is called the "PBS Award Report" it has a ton of details about each persons schedule including a link to their trips, days off, what layer they solved in, coverage days, etc.

Yeah I went in thinking I had a shot. Coming from an Airbus operator, and my home only has Airbus based there, I thought I had a shot. What was supposed to be a pretty good spread (40% 320 60% 737), turned out to be only 10 Airbus out of 44 slots, and those were all gone pretty much instantly. I should try being more senior, I know. One of the few times being young wasn’t an average haha. Our class really skewed kinda old that week.

Anyway thank you. I found that list that shows number of lines and reserves awarded by base/seat. As well as the bid packages. Much appreciated.

You’ll be totally fine, don’t worry. The two commutes are practically the same either way and not having to try to two leg it to LGA from the west coast is a favor to you. The 5am reports out of EWR absolutely suck if you’re coming from a crashpad in Queens. You’re not missing anything.

Have fun in the BOS base for now and you’ll be able to commute to LAX or DFW 737 in no time. I really wouldn’t worry about it. Although LAX 737 is a small base, one of the bottom FOs was holding a line every month because so many bid SC.

The only thing you’re missing on the west coast on the Airbus is PHX which remains senior in both seats either way.

As a former Airbus driver forced to the 737, I have learned to love it. It’ll take about 250 hours and then the Stockholm syndrome will set in.

i misunderstood. I thought you turned down 320 LGA for 737 BOS. If it was between 737 BOS or LGA...that's macht nichts, won't matter at all, you'll get a closer base rapidly.

Just curious, how old were you in class and where did you fall as far as seniority in your class?