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TransWorld 07-12-2023 10:23 AM

Overall PAX loads, across all airlines, starting in the US has recovered and on some days exceeded the 2019 preCovid levels.

nene 07-12-2023 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3664718)
Overall PAX loads, across all airlines, starting in the US has recovered and on some days exceeded the 2019 preCovid levels.

Everyone's an investing expert in a bull market!

JayRalstonSmith 07-12-2023 07:03 PM


Originally Posted by nene (Post 3664949)
Everyone's an investing expert in a bull market!

Why what did he say that was factually incorrect?

nene 07-12-2023 07:23 PM


Originally Posted by JayRalstonSmith (Post 3664951)
Why what did he say that was factually incorrect?

Nothing, I didn't contradict any of his assertions.

Just pointing out that if your an airline "manager" and couldn't make a profit in the last 24months than your really not trying.

Mgmts strategies will be tested when things turn more "normal" in terms of revenue growth, and passenger demand.

Strategies are tested when load factors are consistently less than 80. Then decisions have to be made as to what to promote, what to discontinue. Efficiency counts much more. Pennies start to get counted and real "management" dilemmas come to fruition.

That is all. No malice or accusations made.

TransWorld 07-12-2023 08:33 PM


Originally Posted by nene (Post 3664963)
Nothing, I didn't contradict any of his assertions.

Just pointing out that if your an airline "manager" and couldn't make a profit in the last 24months than your really not trying.

Mgmts strategies will be tested when things turn more "normal" in terms of revenue growth, and passenger demand.

Strategies are tested when load factors are consistently less than 80. Then decisions have to be made as to what to promote, what to discontinue. Efficiency counts much more. Pennies start to get counted and real "management" dilemmas come to fruition.

That is all. No malice or accusations made.

My statement is based on factual data from PAX counts through TSA. Numbers of PAX are numbers of PAX. Period. Everything else you are talking about has absolutely nothing to do with my factual statement.

See for yourself. https://www.tsa.gov/travel/passenger-volumes

thrust 07-13-2023 04:13 AM

Where did you get those load factors? They don’t sound anywhere close to accurate, mostly LHR.

Al Czervik 07-13-2023 04:24 AM


Originally Posted by thrust (Post 3665043)
Where did you get those load factors? They don’t sound anywhere close to accurate, mostly LHR.

Was thinking the same. Every LHR i do has less than10 open seats if any.

TallFlyer 07-13-2023 05:40 AM

Fun fact, LHR is the AA station with the most number of widebody departures monthly: 600+

MCO + TPA sees 1,900+ Bus departures monthly. Too bad they don't put a Bus domicile down there.....

Name User 07-13-2023 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by thrust (Post 3665043)
Where did you get those load factors? They don’t sound anywhere close to accurate, mostly LHR.

If talking about my post the data lags and is several months old. Summer, especially July, will be peak load of course.

However, go to jetnet and type in JFK-LHR for today. 59% LF on the three remaining flights. I wrote 60%. Seems pretty close.

Name User 07-13-2023 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by nene (Post 3664963)
Nothing, I didn't contradict any of his assertions.

Just pointing out that if your an airline "manager" and couldn't make a profit in the last 24months than your really not trying.

Mgmts strategies will be tested when things turn more "normal" in terms of revenue growth, and passenger demand.

Strategies are tested when load factors are consistently less than 80. Then decisions have to be made as to what to promote, what to discontinue. Efficiency counts much more. Pennies start to get counted and real "management" dilemmas come to fruition.

That is all. No malice or accusations made.

24 months ago was depths of Covid restrictions, the mask mandate only ended 16 months ago. We were selling transcons for $25 back then.


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